The Final Word on Wladmir Klitschko

[Elroy1]

I do find in interesting how some say it is ok for Wladimir to clinch but it wasn't ok for john ruiz to do it...

It was ok for both Ruiz and Wladimir.

It was not ok for Ali (who'se entire second career depended on it) who applied that tactic with illegal ones like head down pushing, neck grabbing and out-of-the ring non-boxing related threats.

[Elroy1]

The final word is this....

Wladimir Klitschko is now the greatest world heavyweight champion of all time.

Beyond any doubt now.

By any standard that has any validity whatsoever.

That is a fact!

[Suckmedry]

The final word is this....

Wladimir Klitschko is now the greatest world heavyweight champion of all time.

Beyond any doubt now.

By any standard that has any validity whatsoever.

That is a fact!

And the vast, vast majority of fans and experts do not agree with you

[Weltschmerz]

We need to let the man finish his career before this discussion is really valid.

[daggum]

It was ok for both Ruiz and Wladimir.

It was not ok for Ali (who'se entire second career depended on it) who applied that tactic with illegal ones like head down pushing, neck grabbing and out-of-the ring non-boxing related threats.

so its ok for some people to do it and not others? wlad pushes down on his opponents head and even gets them in headlocks all the time. he's clearly worse. also ali was an all time great before he started holding. wlad was a fringe guy who was ko'd 3 times and knocked down a dozen times.

[Elroy1]

so its ok for some people to do it and not others? wlad pushes down on his opponents head and even gets them in headlocks all the time. he's clearly worse. also ali was an all time great before he started holding. wlad was a fringe guy who was ko'd 3 times and knocked down a dozen times.

How was Ali an ATG BEFORE he started holding? You can only become an ATG long after your career has ended. And prior to his holding, Ali had done exactly nothing at HW... N.O.T.H.I.N.G.! Not a single decent+relevant opponent. Arguably Liston, a cruiser cruncher, bum buster, slowest HW of all time and highly unco- whom Ali fought to a draw with on the cards before he received a gift RTD (pathetic) and then in the rematch, received a gift dive (again pathetic).

Wladimir by contrast is a clean clincher with the possible exception of the Povetkin fight. And has only ever lost 2 legitimate fights out of 66, only 1 of them being to a less than desirable opponent to lose to and that guy being stronger and more experienced than anybody Ali ever faced anyway!

[Suckmedry]

We need to let the man finish his career before this discussion is really valid.

Very true. At least you have some sense, unlike Elroy who's ready to crown the guy the greatest already

[boxingbrain28]

We need to let the man finish his career before this discussion is really valid.

Exactly, but I will say this even if his era was weak you cannot deny his dominance . I am not calling him "the greatest" but he does deserve his respect among those we already call "great".

[Weltschmerz]

Exactly, but I will say this even if his era was weak you cannot deny his dominance . I am not calling him "the greatest" but he does deserve his respect among those we already call "great".

Most people agree he's is among the great heavyweights, even if they don't like him. What is great for him today is that he is presumably not slowing down and can enhance his legacy even further over the next few years, provided the motivation is intact and he remains injury free. I personally would like to see him unify all titles before he retires.

[LEFTYGUNZZ]

How was Ali an ATG BEFORE he started holding? You can only become an ATG long after your career has ended. And prior to his holding, Ali had done exactly nothing at HW... N.O.T.H.I.N.G.! Not a single decent+relevant opponent. Arguably Liston, a cruiser cruncher, bum buster, slowest HW of all time and highly unco- whom Ali fought to a draw with on the cards before he received a gift RTD (pathetic) and then in the rematch, received a gift dive (again pathetic).

Wladimir by contrast is a clean clincher with the possible exception of the Povetkin fight. And has only ever lost 2 legitimate fights out of 66, only 1 of them being to a less than desirable opponent to lose to and that guy being stronger and more experienced than anybody Ali ever faced anyway!

I would love to see Wladimir take on George Foreman in either his first run or after he came back to win the title at 45. All you would see was this on the canvas....



Anyone one who says otherwise is a complete IDIOT!!! ALI HAD THE BEST CHIN EVER!!! PERIOD IT WAS LIKE GRANITE, TITANIUM SOME KIND OF ROCK FROM ANOTHER PLANET........HE HAD FOOT SPEED AND TREMENDOUS HAND SPEED. LIGHTING FAST JAB AND LEAD RIGHT HAND. HE COULD TEACH ROY JONES HOW TO THROW A LEFT HOOK!!!! THE MAN TOOK 4 YEARS OFF AND THOSE WERE HIS PRIME YEARS IMAGINE IF HE DIDNT LOSE HIS BOXING LICENSE?? HE IS ATG 1 AT HEAVY WEIGHT