How shot was Lennox Lewis when he steelfisted Vitali

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  • Elroy1
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    #51
    Originally posted by -Kev-
    Mid 30s+ isn't prime anymore. Unless you started late like Hopkins, Tarver, Martinez, or have preserved yourself in between fights like Mayweather and JMM etc. It was his very last fight of his career and he refused to come back, so obviously he was past prime. It doesn't take a fighter to get KO'ed to see he's past prime. Past prime but still good, like Mosley in 2007-2010.
    Funny that, not a single boxer I know personally or anybody in anything much actually, considers themselves a spent force at 37 years of age.

    But here we are here on a boxing forum, a sport which demonstratably is only half reliant on athleticism anyway at HW, and you guys are trying to sell the idea that a near prime Lewis was closer to past it?

    No. It's unbelievable! Utterly unbelievable!

    Lewis had only a year off, yet he was already camped up for Johnson before switching to Vitali. Ring rust plays a far lessened role in the modern era because of camps and hard, structured sparring (as opposed to the old days with minimal sparring but with regular bum fights to hone the skills in place). So much for ring-rust theory.

    Lewis had just come off 2 of his best performances and best wins in Rahman and Tyson, he destroyed 2 of his best and most dangerous opponents, but IMMEDIATELY the next fight, who happened to be his strongest and best opponent that he ever faced by FAR, he was "past prime".

    And lastly, Lewis hardly sustained any damage during his career, he was the 3rd most dominant champ in history behind only the Klitschko's receiving only 2 KO losses and only those 2 KD's I an remember in total, and only a few fights in which he received any kind of significant damage at all! So much for the "shot" theory.

    This prime excuse is the worst spin used in all of boxing.

    It has been used in defence of AND to trash, every boxer throughout the history of the sport.

    BOXER X was never beaten in his prime, usually translates to As soon as boxer X faced a stronger opponent, he lost!

    None of your guys opinions have much basis in reality on the issue.

    Lewis struggled badly with, was getting pasted by Vitali Klitshko and it was the SAME Lennox Lewis as previously! That is a fact!
    Last edited by Elroy1; 01-27-2015, 10:45 PM.

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    • ADP02
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      #52
      Originally posted by Elroy1
      Lewis struggled badly with, was getting pasted by Vitali Klitshko and it was the SAME Lennox Lewis as previously! That is a fact!
      Lewis was not in shape for that fight.

      You go back and check out the commentating. George Foreman and the others brought it up quite a few times. They also brought up some positive comments for Vitali. Just to say that the commentating was as objective as can be.

      Considering all that, Lewis won the fight.

      BTW - I remember even Vitali bringing up that Lennox was not in good shape.




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      Last edited by ADP02; 01-27-2015, 11:29 PM.

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      • Accountoffline
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        #53
        Basically Lewis underestinated the Iron jawed Vitali, his power just wasnt big and bad enough to put out big Vitali. I dont think many HWs bar a prime Tua or prime Foreman could stop Vitali.

        That cut was Lewis's godsend otherwise Vitali would have hurt him really bad.

        That result saved his legacy massively but ducking the rematch didnt.

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        • Foreign Soil
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          #54
          The fact that people still go on and on about Lewis/Klitschko just shows how badly the rematch was needed. Lewis was physically fine for a rematch, but his mind didn't want it. Good choice in retiring.

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          • megas30
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            #55
            Last fight of his career "shot"...that is how shot he was.

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            • LacedUp
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              #56
              Lewis wasn't shot at all, rather unprepared and unmotivated.

              Vitali took advantage of that as he should and made it the last great heavyweight fight.

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                #57
                Originally posted by BS BadBoy
                Basically Lewis underestinated the Iron jawed Vitali, his power just wasnt big and bad enough to put out big Vitali. I dont think many HWs bar a prime Tua or prime Foreman could stop Vitali.

                That cut was Lewis's godsend otherwise Vitali would have hurt him really bad.

                That result saved his legacy massively but ducking the rematch didnt.
                What makes you say that?

                Vitali had 6 rounds and didn't really hurt him badly there. He said his vision was fine, but both were visibly tiring.

                Are we supposed to believe Vitali would have suddenly had a burst of energy and smashed Lewis up? Lewis who looked a lot better in the last 3 than in the first 3.

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                • Sugar Adam Ali
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                  #58
                  Lennox wasn't prime,must he wasn't shot either.. Hewas just past his prime but still the champ...

                  He didn't come into the fight in the best shape as vitali was a short notice opponent.. The lightly regarded Kirk johnson was the original opponent but he pulled out two weeks prior

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                  • Elroy1
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
                    Lennox wasn't prime,must he wasn't shot either.. Hewas just past his prime but still the champ...

                    He didn't come into the fight in the best shape as vitali was a short notice opponent.. The lightly regarded Kirk johnson was the original opponent but he pulled out two weeks prior
                    "Lightly regarded" Kirk Johnson?

                    Aahahaha

                    Johnson had never really suffered a proper loss through anything but his own ******ity and circumstances. He was rightfully regarded as a would be Lennox beater, was 260lbs! at bout (although terribly indiscreet) but very fast, very agile and an expert counter-puncher.

                    Funny, as soon as Lennox cleared out Tyson, the last of the "has-beens" he fought and a fresh crop of REAL contenders like Johnson and Vitali entered the scene, he was nowhere to be found!

                    Let's beat up on a stiff Rahman with no pedigree and a derelict Mike Tyson, that's cool but Kirk Johnson who (quote from VK vs Johnson fight) "Nobody has ever done this to Kirk Johnson in 12 years as a pro!"- is not a worthy challenge for Lewis? GTFOOH!

                    Lewis was trained as good as he was ever going to be for an opponent- skill-wise. He looked it too.

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                    • bmud reggin
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                      #60
                      The real question is how prime was lewis when he got knocked the f u k out by McCall and rachman?

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