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Three months ago people were on here talking like Oscar and Arum were about to run this dude out of boxing.
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Haymon can sign as many fighters as he likes. While it'll get increasingly difficult for non-Haymon en****** like HBO, GB, TR, RN, K2 to make fights without his involvement (which he'll likely make difficult), if Haymon doesn't consistently put on competitive fan friendly fights and doesn't have a super star to lead his parade he's the one ultimately facing an uphill battle. The UFC has been finding out it's hard achieving both of those aspects in the non premium cable market.
While I do hope he achieves a single champion/division sport, where we don't have to deal with politics as a regular factor in making fights, and is able generate and sustain mainstream interest, his history has given me too many reservations to jump on board just yet.
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Originally posted by Eastcoast View PostHaymon can sign as many fighters as he likes. While it'll get increasingly difficult for non-Haymon en****** like HBO, GB, TR, RN, K2 to make fights without his involvement (which he'll likely make difficult), if Haymon doesn't consistently put on competitive fan friendly fights and doesn't have a super star to lead his parade he's the one ultimately facing an uphill battle. The UFC has been finding out it's hard achieving both of those aspects in the non premium cable market.
While I do hope he achieves a single champion/division sport, where we don't have to deal with politics as a regular factor in making fights, and is able generate and sustain mainstream interest, his history has given me too many reservations to jump on board just yet.
I've said it before he's got a lot of fighters but it's all quantity not quality
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Originally posted by Detroit29 View PostFor Haymon to be so wrong for boxing...boxers are sure signing to him. And he's not just signing a particular race, there is a mix bag. There is certainly a power shift going on. TR and GB are not the monopoly anymore.
In a little over a decade, since Vernon Forrest brought him into the sport after he was kicked out of the concert industry, Haymon found and supremely controlled a niche by signing certain high value fighters and using it as leverage to get all his clients higher valued deals.
Sometimes that's been awesome for both the fighters & the sport (like Forrest & Williams getting good fights when they otherwise struggled for recognition), but many times it's been bad for the sport (Andre Berto eating up huge chunks of the budget and countless fights not being made because it doesn't serve Haymon's business plan).
But it's becoming a new role for Haymon being directly responsible for generating revenue (in a few years anyway). I need to see how he evolves into this role. In terms of what it looks like he's trying to achieve, the UFC is years ahead of him with a solid infrastructure and it's still looking like it's going to take them another 5-10 years before it'll payoff. Alot of it depends on having star athletes that are recognized by the masses and then getting those individuals into high profile fights that live up to the hype.
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Boxing fans: we are doomed!
Floyd fans and hymen worshippers: he will make history with boxing, welcome wwe goodbye old school boxing.
Hymen and floyd is disease thats killing boxing!
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Originally posted by Eastcoast View PostBoxers have been signing up with Don King for 30 years. King would be found guilty in court of cheating fighters out of pay, with it being highly publicized, in addition to wrecking careers with inactivity through out the decades - and even today you'll see fighters continue to sign with him.....
In a little over a decade, since Vernon Forrest brought him into the sport after he was kicked out of the concert industry, Haymon found and supremely controlled a niche by signing certain high value fighters and using it as leverage to get all his clients higher valued deals.
Sometimes that's been awesome for both the fighters & the sport (like Forrest & Williams getting good fights when they otherwise struggled for recognition), but many times it's been bad for the sport (Andre Berto eating up huge chunks of the budget and countless fights not being made because it doesn't serve Haymon's business plan).
But it's becoming a new role for Haymon being directly responsible for generating revenue (in a few years anyway). I need to see how he evolves into this role. In terms of what it looks like he's trying to achieve, the UFC is years ahead of him with a solid infrastructure and it's still looking like it's going to take them another 5-10 years before it'll payoff. Alot of it depends on having star athletes that are recognized by the masses and then getting those individuals into high profile fights that live up to the hype.
The big difference with King is that multiple fighters left him and sued him. It's well known that he cheated fighters out of money.
That hasn't happened to Haymon at all. Not even one fighter. I dont see any similarities in how they treat their fighters.Last edited by joseph5620; 01-25-2015, 06:00 PM.
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