Comments Thread For: Al Haymon's Stable Rapidly Rising, Signs 10 More Fighters

[Horus]

What Al Haymon is doing is unbelievable.
My boy Jamal James just got sign by Haymon.
Haymon team is everywhere. From what I am hearing Haymon
is working to get on ABC as well with his espn deal.
He is literally creating a whole market for these fighters.
This is great news for the fighters and fans of the sport.

[emerson31]

Haymon

Haymon is trying to make boxing into the new UFC, sooner or later he is going to create a monopoly so there is no competition. Soon he will start paying his fighters what the ufc pays his fighters. He is selling a good product now, but the more he signs the less he is going to pay his fighters down the line, he is signing quality and Quantity but you can tell that he has his favorites. why do you think matthysse left him?

[St. Johns Gent]

What Al Haymon is doing is unbelievable.
My boy Jamal James just got sign by Haymon.
Haymon team is everywhere. From what I am hearing Haymon
is working to get on ABC as well with his espn deal.
He is literally creating a whole market for these fighters.
This is great news for the fighters and fans of the sport.

Yes i agree, people don't see that and they labeled him as some sort of devil but the whole time he gets his fighters not only paid but the opportunity to succeed, the fights that get them a better payday, Don King used to do something similar but Don King didn't mind preying on the weak and keeping them ignorant, Al Haymon fighters seem to have a business mindset and therefore they not only become better paid boxers but also better men with intelligible intentions for their money....by the way tite name HORUS, son of Isis and Osiris, good luck when you get to Seth I'm sure you'll win the next battle hehe

[Mitchell Kane]

Haymon is trying to make boxing into the new UFC, sooner or later he is going to create a monopoly so there is no competition. Soon he will start paying his fighters what the ufc pays his fighters. He is selling a good product now, but the more he signs the less he is going to pay his fighters down the line, he is signing quality and Quantity but you can tell that he has his favorites. why do you think matthysse left him?

I don't see it.

The UFC essentially created something out of nothing with MMA.

Boxing is established.

And so are are lineal champions, alphabet champions and contenders that currently fight outside of Haymon's control.

Until Top Rank, Golden Boy Promotions, Roc Nation, and all the other promoters that exist, are NOT in direct competition with them, and their fighters either retire or join Haymon's stable, this Haymon league will never have the kind of acceptance the UFC has.

This isn't like Pride, which didn't have much visibility in the US.

Promoters like Top Rank and Golden Boy are in much stronger standing in the US than the UFC's competitors were when it was starting out.

Furthermore, there are sanctioning bodies that exist outside of the promoters, that while crooked and shady, do have a certain standing in the sport.

Haymon can't just put two of his fighters in the ring, say it's for an invented title, and suddenly have legitimacy.

Furthermore, if his boxers don't fight other champions/challengers/opponents (like Quillin did with Korobov), or lose to them (like Russell Jr. did against Lomachenko) then it diminishes the entire project.

[KRITKL]

I don't see it.

The UFC essentially created something out of nothing with MMA.

Boxing is established.

And so are are lineal champions, alphabet champions and contenders that currently fight outside of Haymon's control.

Until Top Rank, Golden Boy Promotions, Roc Nation, and all the other promoters that exist, are NOT in direct competition with them, and their fighters either retire or join Haymon's stable, this Haymon league will never have the kind of acceptance the UFC has.

This isn't like Pride, which didn't have much visibility in the US.

Promoters like Top Rank and Golden Boy are in much stronger standing in the US than the UFC's competitors were when it was starting out.

Furthermore, there are sanctioning bodies that exist outside of the promoters, that while crooked and shady, do have a certain standing in the sport.

Haymon can't just put two of his fighters in the ring, say it's for an invented title, and suddenly have legitimacy.

Furthermore, if his boxers don't fight other champions/challengers/opponents (like Quillin did with Korobov), or lose to them (like Russell Jr. did against Lomachenko) then it diminishes the entire project.

True. But the direct competition didn't stop WWF from trying to start a separate football league.
Haymon has said he will still put his fighters against other promoters fighters and on other networks. I think his plan is to build up his fighter on his cards against the lower tier fighters he is signing, hoping to get them ranked and a title shot.
If they win or lose they go back to his shows bringing the prestige of having the title or having fought for it, bringing up the rep for his league.
If he can get enough guys to actually get titles he'll hold them hostage asking any challengers to join his stable or if stripped will have them claiming they are still the champs.
All roads seem to be for his brand to succeed and force the others to join him. If not why sign so many fighters? Why not work with other promotional companies?

[baddog]

Signing Cubans? Smell a deCubas ? Guess he's needing bodies dead or alive.

[Pony Boy]

Yup this confirms it. Haymon not going to make the best fights like most hoped. Instead of having the best in his stable fight the best, his getting smaller fish for the sacrifice. Feels sorry for those less star quality fighters and up and comers that signed cause if Haymon doesn't get them fights they cannot fight they'll be put on a shelf.

[KnockoutKings]

Haymon is the in-house king!

[Mitchell Kane]

True. But the direct competition didn't stop WWF from trying to start a separate football league.
Haymon has said he will still put his fighters against other promoters fighters and on other networks. I think his plan is to build up his fighter on his cards against the lower tier fighters he is signing, hoping to get them ranked and a title shot.
If they win or lose they go back to his shows bringing the prestige of having the title or having fought for it, bringing up the rep for his league.
If he can get enough guys to actually get titles he'll hold them hostage asking any challengers to join his stable or if stripped will have them claiming they are still the champs.
All roads seem to be for his brand to succeed and force the others to join him. If not why sign so many fighters? Why not work with other promotional companies?

The XFL was a failure.

And even if the argument is Haymon has a lot more "big league" level talent than McMahon had when he started the XFL, it's still only a portion of the overall amount of boxing talent that's currently in the sport.

As for the "hold them hostage" angle...that doesn't completely work...look at Quillin and Stevenson.

Look at what the reaction was to the way they handled the Quillin-Korobov and Stevenson-Kovalev situations.

This isn't like the Fedor Emilianenko/Pride situation (when Fedor was considered the best MMA heavyweight in the world), where Fedor was a non-American fighting primarily overseas who the UFC-watching audience in the US may not have known much about.

Boxing fans know who the top guys are, whether they're with Haymon or not.

If Haymon risks his best fighters against evenly matched opponents, then he risks losses like Russell Jr. had against Lomachenko.

It's hard to sell a guy as a Haymon/PBC champion if he's coming off a loss to a non-Haymon fighter.

He may say he will allow his fighters to fight non-Haymon fighters on other networks, but is that just going to be his C and D level fighters?

How much is he actually going to put his A and B level fighters, the headliners on all these network fights, against boxers from Top Rank, Golden Boy, Roc Nation, etc.?

[Eastcoast]

The UFC's mistake was putting the brand before the fighters, imo, while also over saturating the market with too many shows.

Haymon's hedged against that, in the short term anyway, by having 60% of his guys being young developing prospects.

That wasn't the UFC's intention. They were all fine with having Chuck Liddell & Brock Lesnar carry the flag and didn't deny it, and now they're rushing to have Connar McGregor do the same. Problem is when the best fight the best all the time, the best will lose and that can crush the momentum of an entire organization.

After Tyson lost to Douglass, mainstream's interest in boxing dipped for an extended period. Under this new format, that can result in sponsorship withdrawls/cut-backs. It's just so much more volatile than the team sport model. At the sports recent low points, HBO/Showtime have been a life support, protecting boxing from the negative aspects of free-market principles. HBO/Showtime are also partly the reason the sport has seen limited growth during the good times, for better or worse they've kept things stable. But a change has to come in the near future anyways as cable system packages are going to become obsolete or completely change as we know it.

I hope Haymon succeeds, but in the meantime he continues to cause damage to the sport. He continues to eat up the budgets with ****ty fights like Santa Cruz, and continues to block great fights. A big intention of signing all these fighters is to simply hurt the competing promoters.