Comments Thread For: Hunter: Andre Ward Already Said He'd Fight Golovkin

[Eastcoast]

I thought I was the one making assumptions?

All I'm going by is what each camp has said. Tom Loeffler's matter of fact statements make it easy to see that his charge is not ready for the fight.

In regards to Golovkin, are we arguing that he's not 'ready' to fight Ward period or that he's not 'ready' to fight Ward for less money that would potentially be available? On that later note, Golovkin's not 'ready' to fight either Froch, Kessler, or Chavez for less money than would potentially be available. If the money was there for Froch or Kessler, based on what Loeffler has said, offers would've been made.

In regards to my assumptions of Ward not likely to accept an actual offer in the first half of 2015, I feel pretty comfortable on that stance given his history.

[HeroBando]

I assume you're talking about the proposed GGG-Chavez fight. The difference is that both sides were willing to make that fight unlike in this situation where one (GGG's) is reluctant.

Ward should test him with a 2m offer. Then the financial sense excuse is debunked. Again with the willingness lol. If theyre willing, send an offer. Or you mean willing in 2016, after 2 tuneups?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

In regards to Golovkin, are we arguing that he's not 'ready' to fight Ward period or that he's not 'ready' to fight Ward for less money that would potentially be available? On that later note, Golovkin's not 'ready' to fight either Froch, Kessler, or Chavez for less money than would potentially be available. If the money was there for Froch or Kessler, based on what Loeffler has said, offers would've been made.

In regards to my assumptions of Ward not likely to accept an actual offer in the first half of 2015, I feel pretty comfortable on that stance given his history.

The risk/reward calculation clearly doesn't add up for Golovkin's people right now. Whether it ever will....only they know.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Ward should test him with a 2m offer. Then the financial sense excuse is debunked. Again with the willingness lol. If theyre willing, send an offer. Or you mean willing in 2016, after 2 tuneups?

Both sides have to be willing my confused little friend. Do you think Golovkin's people just wait by the phone with their fingers crossed hoping for a call from Andre Ward? Lol....you can't be that ******. I know you're just fronting with this "make an offer" stuff.

Loeffler has been vocal about calling up the teams of Chavez, Froch and Cotto to try to make those fights. But wait....the B-side aren't allowed to call the A-side, right?

Loeffler will have talked to HBO about how much money is available for the Ward fight and it clearly isn't enough for him to risk his boy.

[OnePunch]

Both sides have to be willing my confused little friend. Do you think Golovkin's people just wait by the phone with their fingers crossed hoping for a call from Andre Ward? Lol....you can't be that ******. I know you're just fronting with this "make an offer" stuff.

Loeffler has been vocal about calling up the teams of Chavez, Froch and Cotto to try to make those fights. But wait....the B-side aren't allowed to call the A-side, right?

Loeffler will have talked to HBO about how much money is available for the Ward fight and it clearly isn't enough for him to risk his boy.

You obviously dont have the slightest clue how a big fight is made. HBO couldnt care less whether "both sides are interested", as thats not how it works. Here's how it works, with Chavez-GGG as the example:

The promoter of the A-side (Top Rank) reaches out to the B side (K2) to see if there is interest. If there is, then the promoter of the A side (Top Rank) goes to HBO to see 1) how much they would pay outright for the fight, or 2) if that number isnt enough to make it work then would HBO distribute it on PPV and with what guarantees.

Then the A side promoter (Top Rank) goes back to the B side promoter (K2) with the figures, and commences negotiations. In the case of Chavez-GGG, a deal was agreed to, which Chavez ultimately withdrew from at a later date.

The problem with all your blabbing is that in the case of Ward-GGG, the A side (Goosen) has not reached out to HBO about money, or to K2 with an offer.

Now Loeffler can speculate all day and all night about whether or not enough money exists to make the fight (I happen to agree with him that HBO will not offer enough to buy it, and neither Ward nor GGG have ever carried a ppv, so ppv is not a realistic option, especially absent a high guarantee from HBO, which they wont get. But the bottom line here is that there has been NO OFFER from Goosen regarding Ward-GGG, so there is no offer for Loeffler to accept or reject. Why you cant get that through your thick skull is a mystery, although it is likely that you are just a troll.....



End of story.

[Citizen Koba]

No money? If both parties were willing then HBO would put up a lot of money for the fight. However, only one side is willing to take that risk. I don't remember Ward saying it doesn't make financial sense, do you?

I'm not so sure that HBO would want this fight,, though, certainly not right now. Ward has so far proved to be a pretty poor investment - they thought they were getting a superstar instead they've paid a coupla $mil per a fight for a guy who's spent nearly all his time injured or in court and simply isn't that big a draw.

Ward is clearly unpredictable and could potentially jump ship when his legal problems are resolved- why would HBO want to risk harming the investment they've made in GGG whilst he's worth is still growing? HBO - who'd be financing the fight has a good a reason as anyone else to wait until:

1) GGGs popularity is more established and is less likely to take a major hit from a loss.
2) Ward finishes his legal disputes and it becomes clearer what his plans are for the future.
3) Ward especially has a coupla fights to rebuild his popularity - though both guys could use more exposure.

Thing is if you read the article there is nothing new here. Hunter says: later, Loeffler says; later, the only people saying that that this fight has to happen right now (in spite of all the good reasons for it not to) are a few guys on the internet who apparently dislike the Golovkin hype so much that they just can't bear to wait another year or 18 months or so for there to be a decent chance of him losing.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You obviously dont have the slightest clue how a big fight is made. HBO couldnt care less whether "both sides are interested", as thats not how it works. Here's how it works, with Chavez-GGG as the example:

The promoter of the A-side (Top Rank) reaches out to the B side (K2) to see if there is interest.

Wait...so the B-side can't call the A-side? Is that forbidden by law?

[SN!PER]

Ward's gonna ruin their cash cow.

Nobody wants to put their fighter in there against a technically gifted boxer with no reputation outside of the boxing world.

[kafkod]

No money? If both parties were willing then HBO would put up a lot of money for the fight. However, only one side is willing to take that risk. I don't remember Ward saying it doesn't make financial sense, do you?

You don't seem to remember Ward's trainer saying that he would need a couple tune ups before facing GGG either.

Too much of the old "festive spirit" over the last 2 weeks perhaps?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

You don't seem to remember Ward's trainer saying that he would need a couple tune ups before facing GGG either.

Too much of the old "festive spirit" over the last 2 weeks perhaps?

Of course Ward's trainer would ideally want that after his fighter has been out for over a year. It wasn't even about GGG, it was about shaking off rust. He also said that Ward himself would be willing to go straight into a big fight. At the end of the day, it's not up to Virgil Hunter.

What I'm talking about is quotes from Golovkin's manager and promoter. Golovkin's trainer was the one talking all kinds of **** about being willing to face everyone from 154-168 but ultimately Tom Loffler was forced into a very public retraction of those statements.

GGG's team aren't taking the fight right now regardless of anything. They've made it crystal clear.