Comments Thread For: Quillin: Golovkin Doesn't Bring Much Money To The Table

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So much for the days when fighters want to fight the best because they believe that they are the best. Meanwhile Quillin must be making a ton of money by not fighting anymore.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

LOL at Dirk comparing Quillin and GGG

How is GGG avoiding a guy a weight class above who hasn't fought in more than a year comparable to a guy who is in the same weight class, dropped his belt to avoid fighting and flat out refuses to fight anyone the same?

Jesus Christ.... hate so strong you actually defend Quillin?

Goddan....

I remember when he thought GGG's inability to go to Showtime due to an exclusive contract was a legitimate duck by GGG to not fight Quillin.

I never said GGG was ducking anyone.

Whether they're in the same weight class or Ward hasn't fought in 10 years. Irrelevant. GGG is using the exact same reasoning not to fight Andre Ward as Quillin is using here to speak about GGG. Financial sense. Ward doesn't bring enough money to warrant the risk for GGG's team.

Fine by me. You're the one who has a different reaction because you're a rabid fanboy of one guy and you don't like the other guy.

Why do you keep bringing up Ward in GGG threads? It seems nonsensical. Just like you are hating on the guy, pity cause you are generally a decent poster. But if GGG is avoiding ward(who isn't even fighting anymore) then froch is avoiding kovalev/stevenson.

They are not in the same division period.

See above. Golovkin's team have marketed him on being the most feared from 154-168 so don't blame me for mentioning the top guy at 168 as a possible opponent.

All I'm saying is that what Quillin said is true - Golovkin doesn't bring that much money. Just like Ward apparently doesn't bring enough money for Golovkin.

You are wrong about that Dirk. Abel Sanchev never said that Ward didn't bring enough money to the table.

He said the fight would not make financial sense until Ward accepted that GGG was more than just "the opponent".

Obviously what he meant was that GGG wouldn't move up to 168 for Ward unless Ward agreed to a 50/50 split of whatever was on the table.

Golovkin's manager said that Ward doesn't bring enough money. They were willing to make concessions and move up in weight to fight Chavez but not Ward. I don't remember Ward ever talking about a split or any of the finances. Tom Loefller came out and ixnayed the fight before any negotiations could happen.

The last word from Ward's team about this was that he would need a couple of tune-ups first.

Did you miss that or just decide to ignore it because it didn't fit your agenda?

Virgil Hunter said ideally he'd like Ward to get a couple of tune-ups after a year out but that Ward is the kind of guy who would want to jump straight into a big fight.

Again, it's all moot. You can go on about this and that but the bottom line is that Golovkin's team don't want that fight. If you're going to give Quillin so much stick for these statements about the money not being there, why don't you do the same to Golovkin?

[Eastcoast]

I never said GGG was ducking anyone.

Whether they're in the same weight class or Ward hasn't fought in 10 years. Irrelevant. GGG is using the exact same reasoning not to fight Andre Ward as Quillin is using here to speak about GGG. Financial sense. Ward doesn't bring enough money to warrant the risk for GGG's team.

Fine by me. You're the one who has a different reaction because you're a rabid fanboy of one guy and you don't like the other guy.



See above. Golovkin's team have marketed him on being the most feared from 154-168 so don't blame me for mentioning the top guy at 168 as a possible opponent.

All I'm saying is that what Quillin said is true - Golovkin doesn't bring that much money. Just like Ward apparently doesn't bring enough money for Golovkin.



Golovkin's manager said that Ward doesn't bring enough money. They were willing to make concessions and move up in weight to fight Chavez but not Ward. I don't remember Ward ever talking about a split or any of the finances. Tom Loefller came out and ixnayed the fight before any negotiations could happen.



Virgil Hunter said ideally he'd like Ward to get a couple of tune-ups after a year out but that Ward is the kind of guy who would want to jump straight into a big fight.

Again, it's all moot. You can go on about this and that but the bottom line is that Golovkin's team don't want that fight. If you're going to give Quillin so much stick for these statements about the money not being there, why don't you do the same to Golovkin?

Well...

Max Herman stated when they started the negotiations with Schaeffer (where Schaeffer suggested they goto purse bid to allow Showtime to have a chance when he knew of Golovkin's exclusive deal w/HBO), they were willing to do parity and start at $1mill each. Quillin reps never made a counter offer - so what's the number he's looking for? How much money does GGG need to bring? Unlike Ward, Golovkin's team tried to negotiate to make a fight with Quillin.



When Golovkin accepted an offer to fight Chavez, he was going to receive $2mill. Andre Ward's contract minimum is $1.75mill. Now if we assume both guys were to agree to fight for just $4mill total, that would still be larger than any single HBO fight buy in years (Ward-Rodriguez was the biggest in over 3 years and that was just under $3mill). Kessler said he would need $4mill to fight Golovkin in the US, HBO outright rejected Froch/Golovkin when both guys were willing to fight simply because the purse needed would exceed their non-ppv buy.

I think it's accurate to say Ward/Golovkin is non-viable at this time, regardless of what either fighter has to say (see Froch/Golovkin). Now, one guy says lets fight (knowing the fight can't happen) and the other guy says we have to wait. Hmmmmmm.
Let's look at some of Andre Ward's risk adverse history.

• He wins the S6 - #1 SMW contender Lucian Bute says he'll travel to Oakland to fight Ward - Ward is quoted saying Bute is all hype and he needs to earn his shot at Ward (and now Ward is saying a MW is all hype, but he's ready to fight him). Later signs to fight Kelly Pavlik......
• Ward is quoted saying he'll move up to LHW for one fight if it's the 'right' fight. #1 LHW Chad Dawson says lets fight, Ward says he's going to stay at SMW, so Dawson says he'll drop to SMW and fight is made. Before it's finalized Dawson asks about a 170lb catch weight - Ward rejects. If the #1 LHW isn't the 'right' fight, who is? He said he'd move up to fight Hopkins, but not Dawson after Dawson just beat Hopkins........

[The Big Dunn]

As of a few months ago Dirk and I do not get along. That said, he is absolutely right on this one. GGG fans on NSB can't really get upset with Quillin using the same standard as GGG is using.

Yes ward is in a different weight class, but GGG did say he would fight anyone from 154-168, which makes ward being at 168 irrelevant to the debate.

GGG's people should have just been honest-HBO is building him up and wants to wait on a Ward fight until they see what kind of PPV money he brings in vs Canelo/cotto winner, chavez, or Froch.

[jas]

Dunn you seen that new boxing promoter game

[The Big Dunn]

Dunn you seen that new boxing promoter game

I saw the thread on it. I haven't actually seen it. A link would be cool. I will check it out.

[jas]

I saw the thread on it. I haven't actually seen it. A link would be cool. I will check it out.

Rooqboxing.com

[The Big Dunn]

Rooqboxing.com

got it. I will check it out when Im home. In the office now. good lookin out.

[Humean]

As of a few months ago Dirk and I do not get along. That said, he is absolutely right on this one. GGG fans on NSB can't really get upset with Quillin using the same standard as GGG is using.

Yes ward is in a different weight class, but GGG did say he would fight anyone from 154-168, which makes ward being at 168 irrelevant to the debate.

GGG's people should have just been honest-HBO is building him up and wants to wait on a Ward fight until they see what kind of PPV money he brings in vs Canelo/cotto winner, chavez, or Froch.

Ward isn't fighting anyone, how can he be relevant right now? I want to see Golovkin-Ward but Ward needs to sort his promotional stuff out and show he isn't actually a retired fighter. Ward really should be getting stripped by the WBA soon, he hasn't fought in over a year, has no fight scheduled and has only defended his title twice in the past 27 months. 3 years ago he defeated Froch and he has had only two ****ing fights since!

As for Quillin he knows he will get stopped by Golovkin and besides Mr Haymon is not going to put him in with him anyway. Most of what Quillin says makes absolutely no sense but for his sake I hope Haymon will be overpaying him next year against Jacobs or/and Taylor to make up for royally screwing him out of the Korobov purse.

[kafkod]

I never said GGG was ducking anyone.

Whether they're in the same weight class or Ward hasn't fought in 10 years. Irrelevant. GGG is using the exact same reasoning not to fight Andre Ward as Quillin is using here to speak about GGG. Financial sense. Ward doesn't bring enough money to warrant the risk for GGG's team.

Fine by me. You're the one who has a different reaction because you're a rabid fanboy of one guy and you don't like the other guy.



See above. Golovkin's team have marketed him on being the most feared from 154-168 so don't blame me for mentioning the top guy at 168 as a possible opponent.

All I'm saying is that what Quillin said is true - Golovkin doesn't bring that much money. Just like Ward apparently doesn't bring enough money for Golovkin.



Golovkin's manager said that Ward doesn't bring enough money. They were willing to make concessions and move up in weight to fight Chavez but not Ward. I don't remember Ward ever talking about a split or any of the finances. Tom Loefller came out and ixnayed the fight before any negotiations could happen.



Virgil Hunter said ideally he'd like Ward to get a couple of tune-ups after a year out but that Ward is the kind of guy who would want to jump straight into a big fight.

Again, it's all moot. You can go on about this and that but the bottom line is that Golovkin's team don't want that fight. If you're going to give Quillin so much stick for these statements about the money not being there, why don't you do the same to Golovkin?

I repeat, what Sanchez actually said was that when Ward accepted that GGG was more than just another opponent, then they could talk to him about making the fight.

No doubt that JCC Jr would bring more money than Ward. He would also give GGG a bigger share of it, and be less dangerous as an opponent. Can you seriously not understand why that would make him a more attractive option?

And I see you are aware that Ward's trainer said he would need a couple of tune-ups before fighting GGG. Which means that Ward doesn't want the fight now either, and maybe never will.

Why then are you still trying to compare GGG to Quillin? One is focused on unifying the belts at 160 and saying that, possibly, after doing so, he will move up to fight the champ at 168. The other gave up his belt to avoid a unification fight and is talking absolute rubbish to try and justify doing it.

Pack it in Dirk, you are just making yourself look silly.