Terence Crawford - fighter of the year?

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  • Weebler I
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    #21
    Originally posted by SilverMiles
    I really can't see how Crawford deserves the award. Gamboa wasn't rightfully a ranked lightweight, he only had one fight in the division against an un-ranked opponent and he didn't look all the spectacular in that fight.

    Burns was shot, we all know it. He looked terrible against Gonzales and Beltran. In both fights he barely threw punches. Just because Crawford went to Scotland to win beat doesn't change the fact that Burns just wasn't that good at that point.

    Now for Beltran, he's a good fighter but no way in hell was he #2 lightweight. How could he be ranked over both Abril and Vasquez. It just boxing politics to move a lineal title to Crawford against the easiest opponent. No way anybody can justify Beltran being ranked over Vasquez and Abril.
    Vasquez lost to Bey (officially). Who is your pick for FOTY?

    One thing I would say is that you can talk down everyone's opponents, e.g. you could say it was an old Hopkins v Kovalev or criticise Algieri for being overrated or lucky to be in the position.

    Ulimately, you have to pick someone.
    Last edited by Weebler I; 12-01-2014, 12:30 AM.

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    • SilverMiles
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      #22
      Originally posted by Weebler I
      Vasquez lost to Bey (officially). Who is your pick for FOTY?

      One thing I would say is that you can talk down everyone's opponents, e.g. you could say it was an old Hopkins v Kovalev or criticise Algieri for being overrated or lucky to be in the position.

      Ulimately, you have to pick someone.
      You're right Hopkins was old but I know he rightfully earned his #2 ranking by fighting ranked opponents in his division. We can all do the same to Algieri as well but he beat a ranked opponent in his division.

      Vasquez was robbed, we all know it. Ring magazine, TRBR, and ESPN have all let fighters in the past keep their ranking when the fighter "lost" on the scorecards due to robbery.

      Gamboa wasn't a ranked lightweight,

      Burns was a good win but the writing has been on the wall for long time. I don't know what's wrong with him but he just isn't the same. He doesn't throw punches at all anymore.

      And Beltran was a good fighter but wasn't the #2 lightweight. He hasn't done more in the division then both Abril and Vasquez.

      As for who I believe deserves FOTY, for me it has to be Gonzales, Manny, or Kovalev. This year has been overall weak but those are the guys that beat top competition this whole year and in dominating fashion.

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      • Weebler I
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        #23
        Originally posted by SilverMiles
        You're right Hopkins was old but I know he rightfully earned his #2 ranking by fighting ranked opponents in his division. We can all do the same to Algieri as well but he beat a ranked opponent in his division.

        Vasquez was robbed, we all know it. Ring magazine, TRBR, and ESPN have all let fighters in the past keep their ranking when the fighter "lost" on the scorecards due to robbery.

        Gamboa wasn't a ranked lightweight,

        Burns was a good win but the writing has been on the wall for long time. I don't know what's wrong with him but he just isn't the same. He doesn't throw punches at all anymore.

        And Beltran was a good fighter but wasn't the #2 lightweight. He hasn't done more in the division then both Abril and Vasquez.

        As for who I believe deserves FOTY, for me it has to be Gonzales, Manny, or Kovalev. This year has been overall weak but those are the guys that beat top competition this whole year and in dominating fashion.
        I think it comes down to this. If Burns is a good win (and I believe it is - on the road) then you'd have to say Beltran and Gamboa are good wins too as they'd both beat 2014 Burns.

        That's 3 good wins, against just 1 for Kovalev and arguably 2 for Pacquiao.

        Crawford will win this award (probably for BWAA and Ring) but if they give one of the two awards to Kovalev or Pacquiao, I won't complain.

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        • Divine Hammer
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          #24
          Crawford, kovalev, pacquiao, wlad

          I'd be okay with any one of those guys getting the award. They all have had a good year.

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          • SilverMiles
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            #25
            Originally posted by Weebler I
            I think it comes down to this. If Burns is a good win (and I believe it is - on the road) then you'd have to say Beltran and Gamboa are good wins too as they'd both beat 2014 Burns.

            That's 3 good wins, against just 1 for Kovalev and arguably 2 for Pacquiao.

            Crawford will win this award (probably for BWAA and Ring) but if they give one of the two awards to Kovalev or Pacquiao, I won't complain.
            See I don't think a person should win based on just good wins.

            Kovalev win over Hopkins is great. He dominated a ATG and HOF. The wins of Agnew and Caprello where also two good wins.

            Pacquiao win over Bradley was great. He dominated a HOF and possible ATG.
            The Algieri win was a good win.

            Crawford has good wins but so does many other fighters this year. Has the FOTY award been devalued so much that you simply have to have good wins to be considered.

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              #26
              I'd much rather watch Kovalev, but Crawford should be the clear winner here. His wins add up to more than beating a 49 y/o and two no hopers.

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                #27
                Originally posted by SilverMiles
                See I don't think a person should win based on just good wins.

                Kovalev win over Hopkins is great. He dominated a ATG and HOF. The wins of Agnew and Caprello where also two good wins.

                Pacquiao win over Bradley was great. He dominated a HOF and possible ATG.
                The Algieri win was a good win.

                Crawford has good wins but so does many other fighters this year. Has the FOTY award been devalued so much that you simply have to have good wins to be considered.
                I'd like to agree, but those two weren't even ranked in the top 10.

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                • dan_cov
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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Divine Hammer
                  Crawford, kovalev, pacquiao, wlad

                  I'd be okay with any one of those guys getting the award. They all have had a good year.


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                  • Mr.Fantastic
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                    #29
                    People are blind to pick Crawford. This is coming from someone that actually likes him but I'm being realistic. He doesn't deserve it.

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                    • Foreign Soil
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                      #30
                      Crawford should be in the discussion, but it isn't clear cut. Burns and Beltran really shouldn't be rated in the top 5 of a healthy division. 135 is just that weak. Gamboa was coming up in weight and is easily the best win on Crawford's record.

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