Wlad was never better

[Elroy1]

...same ol' BS from this kid! Everyday same thing. blah blah blah..........
Ray

But when you and your friends jump on here with outrageous claims like the era with the strongest boxers in it is the weakest? Same BS every day..

That;s ok right??

[low blows]

no one thinks this is a strong HWT era. Most journalists think the division is horribly weak. other than wlad there isn't another HOF'er fighting in the division. Has wlad even beaten one sure fire HOF'er?

come on man,

If Haye stayed at cruiserweight for a few years he could have been a hall of fame fighter. Other than that only Evan Fields could qualify as a hall of fame fighter that he could have fought and at that point in time Evan was was at level of Shannon Briggs.

[Elroy1]

http://www.cubadebate.cu/wp-content/...hammad-ali.jpg

http://a.espncdn.com/i/classic/0919/..._jlouis2_i.jpg

Take a good hard look at these pictures^^^

http://2l7kr2xl4t7418ewd3w7ur01d2m.w...weigh-in-1.jpg

http://pushthelineboxing.com/wp-cont...e-Stiverne.jpg

And then take a good hard look at those^^^

There is no comparison between HW boxing then, and HW boxing now..

[Elroy1]

Todays bums, would be yesterdays champs!

But more importantly..

All of your beloved heroes..

YESTERDAYS CHAMPS, would have been todays TOMATO CANS!
Fact!

[The Big Dunn]

Well I don't care if Wlad gets knocked out tomorrow, it's a strong era all the same!

I don't care who cliff rold is but he sounds like an idiot

More skilled? The most skilled ones are. I any are not, they have other qualities to compensate.

More athletic? The most athletic ones are. If any are not, they have other qualities to compensate.

More powerful? No, it isn't debatable at all!

Basically the "total package" of all current hws is far greater than the total package of previous HW's.

How could it be otherwise?

What has "HOF" got to do with anything? HOF is an American institution which basically exists to honour fighters from the past.

To get in it, you only had to, COULD only without a time machine, distinguish yourself against the boxers of your era. Today it is harder because the division is preceded by an almost invincible leader, and the punches are so hard that en route to challenge him, chances are great youll be splattered.

Almost every HOF or ATG fighter from the past, would never be able to compete today, Fact!

wlad's dominance is a product of how poor the era is. when the division was slightly above poor (about 10-12 yrs ago) he got KTFO 3 times.

[Elroy1]

wlad's dominance is a product of how poor the era is. when the division was slightly above poor (about 10-12 yrs ago) he got KTFO 3 times.

Far more likely Wladimir's dominance is because of the fact that Wladimir has the most supreme combination of skills, athleticism and size ever assembled at HW boxing and has completely worked out how to utilise all of it to keep his opponents at distance where he works.

He is also the most experienced REAL 200+ HW boxer of all time by FAR!

THAT is why he dominates.

The opponents are GREAT opponents.

Klitschko is just unbelievably great!

Just imagine how easily he would run through Alis resume.

WK WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED under the current rules of boxing to knock out exactly half of his opponents! And nobody would WANT to see WK cherry pick such opponents!

[Elroy1]

You can laugh all you want about WK getting knocked out but..

Nobody has had as many real HW fights and had as few losses.

No pre80's boxer ever faced a guy as heavy+experienced as Puritty
as heavy+power punching as Brewster
as tall+heavy+fast+southpaw+aggressive as Sanders

Or any boxer with a chin as hard as the 3 did!

[TriMastiki]

Wlad is and will be the undisputed ATG in heavyweight as long as he keeps sharing his ever growing income with all the respective boxing authorities and WADA.

As long as his clinching, elbows and post punch pushes keep on being overseen by the referees, no one can beat him.

As long as he is allowed to avoid doping tests, no one can beat him.

Please, don't get me wrong. The guy has an inborn talent. He puts tremendous efforts in training. He keeps increasing his arsenal of punches. He is technically and tactically far ahead from the guy, who was used by Sanders for wiping the deck.

He is better than ever. Better paid and better paying.

[beez721]

wlad's dominance is a product of how poor the era is. when the division was slightly above poor (about 10-12 yrs ago) he got KTFO 3 times.

I dont buy that one. wlads beaten plenty of better fighters than sanders,,purrity and brewster over the last 10 yrs. hes dominant becuase hes learned how to protect his chin and not give up his height like he used to

[Elroy1]

I dont buy that one. wlads beaten plenty of better fighters than sanders,,purrity and brewster over the last 10 yrs. hes dominant becuase hes learned how to protect his chin and not give up his height like he used to

That brings up another issue too.

It's true what you said, his success unbroken is testament of how well he utilises his range now and protects his chin.

His "chin" often degraded by the nutbags as being "glass" is a total myth. With regards to this era, his chin is actually pretty good. Not an iron chin. If he takes too many flush hard knocks, he will go down still.

But that's with regards to the power of the current era. In today's HW boxing, with Wladimirs opponents all power trained like no past HW boxer was and at an average of 235lbs and so many fights against them, it should come as NO SURPRISE that these guys could knock WK out if they can land it.

If you inspect Wladimir's chin, against the "criteria" of what it would have had to stand up to in pre80's HW eras, Wladimir Klitschko would have an IRON CHIN!

The question who had the better chin out of WK and Geroge Chuvalo seems absurd to nostalgists.

But Chuvalo's chin had only to withstand the punches of CW sized fighters who were dead against power training, not todays fighters.

If you put WK in the 70's, only Foreman would really possess the power to actually hurt him if he could land.

If you put Chuvalo in the 2010's, his chin wouldn't last a round against most guys, he was never exposed to such crunching power.