I think it's safe to say, Mayweather has probably the best defence in boxing history

[Hype job]

Great defence against slow orthodox flat footed Mexicans.

Don't forget Judah dropped him and was tagging his arse with left hands repeatedly for the first four rounds until he faded like he always does.

[The Gambler1981]

Very astute breakdown.

So those fighters don't do that either? And what's you actual point?

I didn't know softening a guy up was some big issue now~

[Beercules]

Great defence against slow orthodox flat footed Mexicans.

Don't forget Judah dropped him and was tagging his arse with left hands repeatedly for the first four rounds until he faded like he always does.

100% truth

[shade darkar]

And what does that have to do with anything I said? Manny isn't putting anyone's lights out. Especially not Floyd. Too defensively good and too good of a chin.

well floyd doesnt share your enthusiasm. pacman makes floyd all squeaky!

[billeau2]

i've never seen a fighter with better defense.


that said, his opposition was never great. good - very good, but never historically great.

I agree with this...the second part. I don't think Floyd ever showed great d against a great pressure fighter. i also think Whitaker was better because 'whitaker actually used his D in a manner where it generated offense and created more opportunities. Mayweather is in the discussion of defensive greats...His ability (his younger days) to make the guy miss and counter were exceptional. I would say that as a defensuve/counter puncher he ranks up there.

I question the logic of making defense excusively dependent on not getting hit. What about the defensive ability to shut down an offense like pernell did to chavez? I mean Chavex was unable to pressure him...I am sure he caught him a few times but Chavez was controlled the whole fight. Meanwhile Mayweather had a rough time in that regard when fighting Castillo. And Roy? Roy's defense consisted of being fast enough not to get hit, he never had to set up a counter punch, or depend on it. To me this says that some guy are great but when we talk about DEFENSE strictly speaking... We should distinguish between offense minded skills like counter punching, etc and the ability to actually control and neutralize a guy with defensive skills.

[The Gambler1981]

I agree with this...the second part. I don't think Floyd ever showed great d against a great pressure fighter. i also think Whitaker was better because 'whitaker actually used his D in a manner where it generated offense and created more opportunities. Mayweather is in the discussion of defensive greats...His ability (his younger days) to make the guy miss and counter were exceptional. I would say that as a defensuve/counter puncher he ranks up there.

I question the logic of making defense excusively dependent on not getting hit. What about the defensive ability to shut down an offense like pernell did to chavez? I mean Chavex was unable to pressure him...I am sure he caught him a few times but Chavez was controlled the whole fight. Meanwhile Mayweather had a rough time in that regard when fighting Castillo. And Roy? Roy's defense consisted of being fast enough not to get hit, he never had to set up a counter punch, or depend on it. To me this says that some guy are great but when we talk about DEFENSE strictly speaking... We should distinguish between offense minded skills like counter punching, etc and the ability to actually control and neutralize a guy with defensive skills.

Yea there is a difference between defenses that keeps a guy out of danger, defense that a guy is using to freeze the other guy, defense to set up offense and defense used to make a guy miss while standing right in front of them.

Then you got the difference between righties and lefties, so it is a really broad question that covers more than a century of fighters. I guess there is probably a best overall but I don't know how one gets the right answer considering they excelled in different areas and used defense differently.

[IIG]

Best that I've ever seen easily. And I've looked long and hard. If video exists of someone better, please let me know.

[billeau2]

Yea there is a difference between defenses that keeps a guy out of danger, defense that a guy is using to freeze the other guy, defense to set up offense and defense used to make a guy miss while standing right in front of them.

Then you got the difference between righties and lefties, so it is a really broad question that covers more than a century of fighters. I guess there is probably a best overall but I don't know how one gets the right answer considering they excelled in different areas and used defense differently.

Nor do i know how to make such a distinction my friend. heres an idea though that I have considered. When a guy generates his talents from stopping the other guy's offense we have a great paradox where the actual ability to be defensive becomes offensive. In this regard we might consider Ali as a great defensive fighter....maybe even the greatest. Ali would often let a man throw combos that hit nothng but air, then simply throw a few jabs in the round. Ali worked defensively against Foreman and then beat him up When Foreman, dispirited and tired, became convinced he could not hurt Ali.

Now lets do some comparison shopping with defensive ability in mind: Floyd could not neutralize Castillo with his defense, while Ali, even though he got hit a few times, was able to defensively defeat Foreman.

I use Ali as an example, we also have guys like Pee Wee who were usually unhittable which is an attribute of great d as well (he was so angry against Roger Mayweather this fight was a bit of an exception).

If we compare Jones to Whitaker, Jones defensive ability was his speed and offense. It was exclusively the promise that he would catch you if you went after him...even if you did not! Whitaker, by comparison was succesful when he avoided the punches of the other guy and like Ali...dispirited and confused his opponent.

So this is a start at least

[Pretty Boy32]

Great defence against slow orthodox flat footed Mexicans.

Don't forget Judah dropped him and was tagging his arse with left hands repeatedly for the first four rounds until he faded like he always does.

How many mexicans has Floyd fought and Judah did not knock Floyd down,
you clearly don't follow the sport correctly or suffer from some sight related form of ******ation.

for what the latter probably makes more sense.

[Hype job]

How many mexicans has Floyd fought and Judah did not knock Floyd down,
you clearly don't follow the sport correctly or suffer from some sight related form of ******ation.

for what the latter probably makes more sense.

He did you idiot. When the glove hits the canvas it's a KD but the ref missed it so lets say he was 'unofficially' knocked down.