Comments Thread For: Kovalev: To Become a Legend, I Have To Beat a Legend!

[Wicky]

No, it is a sudden change in SOME, not ALL athletes, like being able to previously do 75 pushups to breathing hard after only 30, like being able to go 12 hard rounds in the gym to being able to only go 7 and then feeling like collapsing - all between the middle point of two fights. Again, anyone can age at a faster or slower rate at given points of their lives. Even different body parts age differently. The BOTTOM LINE - REGARDLESS of slow or fast aging which is a fact in itself, is that a fighter can no longer have it in fight number 38 where he had it in the previous 37. Call it whatever you like or whatever leads up to it, but it is what it is and is very noticeable and where the aged overnight expression came from, a serious difference in performance from having it, to no longer having it in the ring.

Aging can manifest itself in increments or immediately when it comes to the performance of some athletes.

I say all boxers follow a fairly standard process: peak, age, eventually realise they can’t compete. Then retire and develop a short term coke habit before staring on reality TV. You say no, but you don’t want to supply any credible evidence. If you’re correct there should be plenty, right? Outstanding intellect my friend, you’ve done you parents proud.

[richardt]

I say all boxers follow a fairly standard process: peak, age, eventually realise they can***8217;t compete. Then retire and develop a short term coke habit before staring on reality TV. You say no, but you don***8217;t want to supply any credible evidence. If you***8217;re correct there should be plenty, right? Outstanding intellect my friend, you***8217;ve done you parents proud.

First off, no one is arguing here about fighters peaking, aging, and realizing they cant compete. That is you having an argument between yourself and the wall in your house.

Some fighters can compete at the highest levels in one fight and then decline to the point of not having it in the next fight. Night and day difference between two fights. That is what is referred to as aging overnight. Whether they really are AGING fast or not AGING fast, is not what the central point is.

The central point is how their age either manifests dramatically in one fight or not. Therefore no one, well not me, but maybe your wall has argued the "peak, age, realization" process is not possible. Go find the culprit to such an argument which is probably the flat surface that helps hold your ceiling up.

[Wicky]

First off, no one is arguing about fighters peaking, aging, and realizing they cant compete. That is you having an argument between yourself and the wall in your house.

Some fighters can compete at the highest levels in one fight and then decline to the point of not having it in the next fight. Night and day difference between two fights. That is what is referred to as aging overnight. Whether they really are AGING fast or not AGING fast, is not what the central point is.

The central point is how their age either manifests dramatically in one fight or not. Therefore no one, well not me, but maybe your wall has argued the "peak, age, realization" process is not possible. Go find the culprit to such an argument which is probably the flat surface that helps hold your ceiling up.

You were arguing about ageing, claiming that it can happen in an instant. I was saying that all of the preceding time contributes to age related loss, sometimes manifested as a sudden awareness, but that the process is gradual.

Now you’re saying “no one is arguing about fighters peaking, aging, and realizing they cant compete.”

You need to get your story straight.

[richardt]

You were arguing about ageing, claiming that it can happen in an instant. I was saying that all of the preceding time contributes to age related loss, sometimes manifested as a sudden awareness, but that the process is gradual.

Now you***8217;re saying ***8220;no one is arguing about fighters peaking, aging, and realizing they cant compete.***8221;

You need to get your story straight.

It's time to take you off life support because you are brain dead. I've already explained to you that aging can manifest itself in a resounding way from one fight to the next. This is referred to as aging overnight. In order to use the excuse that a fighter lost because he was too old doesn't fly if he was beating a series of younger fighters, only to lose to a guy who was better than those other fighters while performing at the high level.

Performing at a high level is NOT synonymous with being unable to pull the trigger, block punches, etc. Simple!

If he does not perform at that level and cannot do the things he has done recently, then he lost because age caught up to him. Simple! Your wall probably has a quicker learning curve than you.

[Wicky]

It's time to take you off life support because you are brain dead. I've already explained to you that aging can manifest itself in a resounding way from one fight to the next. This is referred to as aging overnight. In order to use the excuse that a fighter lost because he was too old doesn't fly if he was beating a series of younger fighters and then simply lost to a guy who was better than those other fighters while he was still performing at the high level he was when beating those other fighters - IF he is performing at a high level.

If he does not perform at that level and cannot do the things he has done recently and has slowed noticeably, then he lost because age caught up to him. Very simple. Your wall probably has a quicker learning curve than you.

Oh, well now that you've repeated the same simplistic nonsense it sounds much more convincing. My bad. You're 100% correct. If 49 year old, grandfather, B-Hop looses to 31 year old, undefeated ****er, Kovalev, it will have nothing to do with age or the old man's gradual & cumulative fatigue. Yup... Nothing at all.

[richardt]

Oh, well now that you've repeated the same simplistic nonsense it sounds much more convincing. My bad. You're 100% correct. If 49 year old, grandfather, B-Hop looses to 31 year old, undefeated ****er, Kovalev, it will have nothing to do with age or the old man's gradual & cumulative fatigue. Yup... Nothing at all.

I said it is HOW he loses to Kovalev, not IF he loses that determines if age caught up to him! I've made this VERY clear. I'm really getting tired of having a battle of wits with a miserably unarmed person as yourself.

[Wicky]

I said it is HOW he loses to Kovalev, not IF he loses that determines if age caught up to him! I've made this VERY clear. I'm really getting tired of having a battle of wits with a miserably unarmed person as yourself.

I've clearly explained why your argument is flawed. It's too simple. I can't help you beyond that. Win or loose, good or bad performance, B-Hop is gradually fading with each successive bout. He'll eventually lose and age will be a part of the reason for that. I know you don't understand, we've been through that. I don't know what to suggest... Boxing's just not your thing. :wank:

[richardt]

I've clearly explained why your argument is flawed. It's too simple. I can't help you beyond that. Win or loose, good or bad performance, B-Hop is gradually fading with each successive bout. He'll eventually lose and age will be a part of the reason for that. I know you don't understand, we've been through that. I don't know what to suggest... Boxing's just not your thing. :wank:

I've clearly exposed you! You cannot even tell the difference between simple words like "IF and "HOW" on top of not knowing sht about Boxing. And for you to act like a boxer cannot all of a sudden show rapid signs of aging from one fight to the next - when I have seen this and heard this from boxers who have been contenders that I personally know - that is the height of your brainless crap!

[dan_cov]

Green K to both of you for dedication

[Wicky]

...and for you to act like a boxer cannot all of a sudden show huge signs of aging from one fight to the next

I knew you didn't understand. Nothing to be embarrassed about chap. That wasn't the point I was making. Boxers can show diminished qualities quite rapidly, but the REASON for that decline is a steady, gradual fatigue ... usually referred to as ageing.

Don't get confused. We all age. It's always gradual. It always eventually leads to a loss of previous ability. Quite simple points, even for you.