Comments Thread For: Kovalev: To Become a Legend, I Have To Beat a Legend!

[Ravens Fan]

Daggum needs to come in here and explain to people what happens to Taylor and Dawson's legacy if Hopkins beats Kovalev. I know it would put them both in the HOF but really maybe they would be top 50 ATG. **** if Hopkins beats Kovalev Calzaghe is the GOAT.

Dawson in the HOF?????

[ELPacman]

Well, it's true that Hopkins has gone to legendary status because of his age, he did get some really solid wins in his prime days including the likes of Trinidad and Dela Hoya. I think it's the way he won though that maybe made people not give him as much credit because it was methodical breaking down the opponent that generally bored the public until he struck. Now they are taking notice.

[Wicky]

I'm... VERY simple! If Hopkins performs at the SAME level he has while winning against YOUNGER champions and contenders and he loses, NO ONE can talk about him aging overnight. A fighter has to SHOW their age by NOT being able to do the things they did in their last few fights! Such as by losing a step, timing off, legs not with the same bounce. IF Kovalev beats Hopkins and Hopkins STILL performed the SAME way he has done in his last few fights, it means Kovalev was BETTER than those guys, SIMPLE!

The age excuse only works when a fighter can no longer DO THE THINGS he has done in his previous fights that he WON. That's when "age-related physical limitations" become a reality, not before, or he would be losing to, not beating guys much younger than him. You are not the one who can say AGE was the reason why he lost - if he happens to lose to Kovalev UNLESS he SHOWS his age by being UNABLE to perform the way he has in his last few fights, period!

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So, what’s the deal… are you mentally ill? You keep repeating exactly the same point like its difficult to understand. It's not. It's just overly simplistic.

Win or lose, youthful performance or not, you can't evaluate B-Hop's role without mentioning age, because age is a significant statistic. Yes, B-Hop might loose with no *obvious* decline in skill or speed, but just because you haven’t witnessed an *obvious* ageing doesn’t mean that age isn’t part of the outcome.

Example: Let’s say B-Hop puts in a great performance and doesn’t appear to have aged at all since his last fight. Let’s also say Kovalev lands 10 power shots per round and KO’s B-Hop in round 7. Your argument is that age has nothing to do with it, because B-Hop *appears* not to have aged. I’m saying that age has everything to do with it, because Kovalev may have only landed 9 power shots per round against B-Hop 8-9 months ago, and that 1 shot per round might be the difference.

What I’m saying specifically is that your perception of whether B-Hop has aged is flawed. Unless you witness a “dramatic” difference in his ability, you’ll think his defeat isn’t down to age. But age will have affected his performance even if you haven’t perceived it.

I can’t explain it much clearer without spoon feeding you, and frankly I think your carer should do that.

If he wins the media will say "despite his age". If he looses the media will say "because of his age". Every single post-fight news report will mention B-Hop’s age. They might also say he didn't look to have a diminished capacity... but he is older and regardless of how spritely he performs, every opportunity that Kovalev gets will be directly influenced by B-Hop's age.

[richardt]

So, what***8217;s the deal***8230; are you mentally ill? You keep repeating exactly the same point like its difficult to understand. It's not. It's just overly simplistic.

Win or lose, youthful performance or not, you can't evaluate B-Hop's role without mentioning age, because age is a significant statistic. Yes, B-Hop might loose with no *obvious* decline in skill or speed, but just because you haven***8217;t witnessed an *obvious* ageing doesn***8217;t mean that age isn***8217;t part of the outcome.

Example: Let***8217;s say B-Hop puts in a great performance and doesn***8217;t appear to have aged at all since his last fight. Let***8217;s also say Kovalev lands 10 power shots per round and KO***8217;s B-Hop in round 7. Your argument is that age has nothing to do with it, because B-Hop *appears* not to have aged. I***8217;m saying that age has everything to do with it, because Kovalev may have only landed 9 power shots per round against B-Hop 8-9 months ago, and that 1 shot per round might be the difference.

What I***8217;m saying specifically is that your perception of whether B-Hop has aged is flawed. Unless you witness a ***8220;dramatic***8221; difference in his ability, you***8217;ll think his defeat isn***8217;t down to age. But age will have affected his performance even if you haven***8217;t perceived it.

I can***8217;t explain it much clearer without spoon feeding you, and frankly I think your carer should do that.

If he wins the media will say "despite his age". If he looses the media will say "because of his age". Every single post-fight news report will mention B-Hop***8217;s age. They might also say he didn't look to have a diminished capacity... but he is older and regardless of how spritely he performs, every opportunity that Kovalev gets will be directly influenced by B-Hop's age.

You obviously have a below average IQ. I can work with that, but it will take the time and patience I may not have. Here goes....and READ THIS SLOWLY!

If Hopkins PERFORMS SOLIDLY in the fight, WIN OR LOSE, no one can say he aged overnight!!! If the Hopkins that fought recently beating younger guys DOES NOT SHOW UP, then people can say he lost because he no longer has it, age caught up to him! Not a DIFFICULT CONCEPT TO GRASP for those who are not challenged.

For a newbie and / or someone challenged to Boxing such as yourself, this is where the expression "AGED OVERNIGHT" comes from! You will learn this eventually tenderfoot. I sometimes have faith in slow learners such as yourself so make me proud of you and grasp it!

[Wicky]

You obviously have a below average IQ. I can work with that, but it will take the time and patience I may not have. Here goes....and READ THIS SLOWLY!

If Hopkins PERFORMS SOLIDLY in the fight, WIN OR LOSE, no one can say he aged overnight!!! If the Hopkins that fought recently beating younger guys DOES NOT SHOW UP, then people can say he lost because he no longer has it, age caught up to him! Not a DIFFICULT CONCEPT TO GRASP for those who are not challenged.

For a newbie and / or someone challenged to Boxing such as yourself, this is where the expression "AGED OVERNIGHT" comes from! You will learn this eventually tenderfoot. I sometimes have faith in slow learners such as yourself so make me proud of you and grasp it!

Are you naturally this ****** or were you dropped on your head at some point?

Question: Will Hopkins still be a world champ when he’s 90 years old?
Answer: No.

Why? Because between now and the point where he can no longer continue as an elite boxer, he will GRADUALLY loose his skills, strength & vitality. We call this GRADUAL process ageing, and it affects everybody including your idol.

There is no such thing as SUDDENLY getting old in the ring. It’s just a convenient & disposable expression to describe when a boxer can’t continue at the same level. You may SUDDENLY perceive a loss in quality, speed, timing, etc., but that GRADUAL decline is happening every fight whether YOU perceive it or not. This is why we describe boxers in their late 20’s as being “in their prime”, which is also an age related reference. Understand?

Win or loose, B-Hop will NOT fight the same as he did in his last fight. He will have diminished to some extent (even if it’s not especially obvious). How much? Nobody knows yet, but each consecutive fight between now and when he retires will move him closer to the point where he can longer continue. And, at 50 years of age that’s likely to happen quite soon, so age is very note worthy in discussing his performance. End of.

Get an adult to explain it to you if you still don’t understand.

[New England]

danny green logic.


dude was on to something.

[MrRolltide91]

word to danny green

[richardt]

Are you naturally this ****** or were you dropped on your head at some point?

Question: Will Hopkins still be a world champ when he***8217;s 90 years old?
Answer: No.

Why? Because between now and the point where he can no longer continue as an elite boxer, he will GRADUALLY loose his skills, strength & vitality. We call this GRADUAL process ageing, and it affects everybody including your idol.

There is no such thing as SUDDENLY getting old in the ring. It***8217;s just a convenient & disposable expression to describe when a boxer can***8217;t continue at the same level. You may SUDDENLY perceive a loss in quality, speed, timing, etc., but that GRADUAL decline is happening every fight whether YOU perceive it or not. This is why we describe boxers in their late 20***8217;s as being ***8220;in their prime***8221;, which is also an age related reference. Understand?

Win or loose, B-Hop will NOT fight the same as he did in his last fight. He will have diminished to some extent (even if it***8217;s not especially obvious). How much? Nobody knows yet, but each consecutive fight between now and when he retires will move him closer to the point where he can longer continue. And, at 50 years of age that***8217;s likely to happen quite soon, so age is very note worthy in discussing his performance. End of.

Get an adult to explain it to you if you still don***8217;t understand.

Damn you are a full blown turbo ******!!!! Child, go watch some boxing and come back when you LEARN SOMETHING! The expression about fighters getting old overnight is based on the fact that a fighter can fight, perform, and look old in a SINGLE FIGHT where his reflexes are gone, he is not able to pull the trigger, and no longer has it, UNLIKE in his last few fights! This is not minutely arguable!!! This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE in Boxing, a sport you obviously have not followed long or your teeny, tiny brain cannot grasp! It is not some little change, it is an OBVIOUS change and anyone can see this happen to many fighters who stay around the sport too long. It is a NIGHT and DAY difference between previous fights and the one where a fighter NO LONGER HAD IT! If Hopkins performs at the same level he has in his last few fights and wins or loses, NO ONE UNBIASED IS GOING TO SAY HE WAS TOO OLD. They will only say he was TOO OLD if he NO LONGER HAS IT and CANNOT perform at the LEVEL he has RECENTLY!! Get a Special Ed counsellor to walk you through this and quit flaunting your ignorance and ******ity like they are a badge of honor!

[Wicky]

Damn you are a full blown turbo ******!!!! Child, go watch some boxing and come back when you LEARN SOMETHING! The expression about fighters getting old overnight is based on the fact that a fighter can fight, perform, and look old in a SINGLE FIGHT where his reflexes are gone, he is not able to pull the trigger, and no longer has it, UNLIKE in his last few fights! This is not minutely arguable!!! This is COMMON KNOWLEDGE in Boxing, a sport you obviously have not followed long or your teeny, tiny brain cannot grasp! It is not some little change, it is an OBVIOUS change and anyone can see this happen to many fighters who stay around the sport too long. It is a NIGHT and DAY difference between previous fights and the one where a fighter NO LONGER HAD IT! If Hopkins performs at the same level he has in his last few fights and wins or loses, NO ONE UNBIASED IS GOING TO SAY HE WAS TOO OLD. They will only say he was TOO OLD if he NO LONGER HAS IT and CANNOT perform at the LEVEL he has RECENTLY!! Get a Special Ed counsellor to walk you through this and quit flaunting your ignorance and ******ity like they are a badge of honor!

You really are a mental cripple aren’t you? Do you dribble too?

Back in the real world people age exactly as I’ve described. You don’t need to agree with it, or understand it if that’s beyond your capacity, it’s just a biological FACT. Like all other athletes, boxers have their prime and GRADUALLY diminish towards the close of their career. We talk about Pacman loosing his power, lil’ Floyd’s footwork slowing down, etc. ALL athletes start strong and eventually end up unable to compete because they’re too old & slow. They then retire… unless they’re Roy Jones Jnr.

B-Hop is most of the way through that journey. Way past his prime but still doing great. He’s managed a sensational feat to be a champ at his age, but that will end very soon.

Now, ears back, eyes open - this is the bit you’re struggling with…

Each fight that Hopkins has takes him closer to the end of that journey. Each fight takes something out of him and the natural ageing process does the rest. Expressions like “getting old in the ring” is a way to summarise when a boxer has reached a point where that cumulative ageing, battering and wear & tear means he can no longer be competitive. We use it in the context of a single fight, BUT in reality it happens GRADUALLY. Each fight takes it’s toll and age matters.

@Crazylegs77 originally said: “...The story will be Hopkins finally got too old.”

I said, “it’ll be true”, and it will be.

He may put on a great performance and just be outgunned by a stronger, younger dude. You claim that means the age angle is irrelevant. But age WILL have still played it’s part.

Your whole angle is that if he fights really well and gets defeated, age wasn’t the reason. But that’s exceptionally naive because age is part of the reason.

It’s a shame that your mental problems don’t allow you to understand the concepts involved, but you don’t have to agree with me. Just point to a single summary of the fight from ANY leading sports journalist that doesn’t mention B-Hop’s age. They’ll all mention his age because his age IS relevant.

Now get back to the window licking… that glass won’t clean itself.

[richardt]

You really are a mental cripple aren***8217;t you? Do you dribble too?

Back in the real world people age exactly as I***8217;ve described. You don***8217;t need to agree with it, or understand it if that***8217;s beyond your capacity, it***8217;s just a biological FACT. Like all other athletes, boxers have their prime and GRADUALLY diminish towards the close of their career. We talk about Pacman loosing his power, lil***8217; Floyd***8217;s footwork slowing down, etc. ALL athletes start strong and eventually end up unable to compete because they***8217;re too old & slow. They then retire***8230; unless they***8217;re Roy Jones Jnr.

B-Hop is most of the way through that journey. Way past his prime but still doing great. He***8217;s managed a sensational feat to be a champ at his age, but that will end very soon.

Now, ears back, eyes open - this is the bit you***8217;re struggling with***8230;

Each fight that Hopkins has takes him closer to the end of that journey. Each fight takes something out of him and the natural ageing process does the rest. Expressions like ***8220;getting old in the ring***8221; is a way to summarise when a boxer has reached a point where that cumulative ageing, battering and wear & tear means he can no longer be competitive. We use it in the context of a single fight, BUT in reality it happens GRADUALLY. Each fight takes it***8217;s toll and age matters.

@Crazylegs77 originally said: ***8220;...The story will be Hopkins finally got too old.***8221;

I said, ***8220;it***8217;ll be true***8221;, and it will be.

He may put on a great performance and just be outgunned by a stronger, younger dude. You claim that means the age angle is irrelevant. But age WILL have still played it***8217;s part.

Your whole angle is that if he fights really well and gets defeated, age wasn***8217;t the reason. But that***8217;s exceptionally naive because age is part of the reason.

It***8217;s a shame that your mental problems don***8217;t allow you to understand the concepts involved, but you don***8217;t have to agree with me. Just point to a single summary of the fight from ANY leading sports journalist that doesn***8217;t mention B-Hop***8217;s age. They***8217;ll all mention his age because his age IS relevant.

Now get back to the window licking***8230; that glass won***8217;t clean itself.

Listen you full blown ******. Back in the real world people and fighters can age both slowly and as the expression indicates, rapidly! Journalists mention Hopkins age because he DEFIES it you ***ing pinhead. Let me clue you in since it is obvious you either have to beg, borrow, or steal a clue since you are helpless at finding one on your own. It is a FACT that fighters can decline rapidly from performing at high levels for a number of fights - to looking like they lost it, shot, done in their next fight! This is NOT ARGUABLE]!

Child, I have watched this happen for over 25 years! Little one, If Hopkins performs like he has in his last fights in the kovalev fight and wins or loses, no one can use the age excuse! THAT is used when a fighter is finally shot and that CAN happen in one fight, again, NOT ARGUABLE! Fighters often do not realize that what they had in their prior fights, does not always show up in the gym, and then when they step into the ring they realize the hard way that they see the punches and cannot and they NO LONGER HAVE IT!

Damn, you are like a torso that lost its arms and legs and teeth and are trying to bite with your damn gums! That would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic watching you implode. I've spoken to boxers who have talked about how they realized one night in the ring, they were finally old and could not perform ANYWHERE NEAR the level they did so shut the FK up!