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  • $mannyFresh
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    #51
    Sure, he's had a lot of support, but his resume is great considering his age. He's on a similar path to Chavez Sr was at the same age.

    The controversy surrounding the Lara fight is overstated. They landed close to the same amount of punches; although one guy did it on his back foot, the other while going forward.

    Even though he got complacent in the trout fight, it was clear whose punches were doing the most damage and, at least to me, who won more rounds.

    The performance he should be most embarrassed about is the Mayweather fight. He admitted that Floyd's punches didn't hurt but he failed to get inside. Maidana has less tools physically but he almost beat Mayweather in his first fight with him, and was on pace to make an even better account for himself in the second fight; Bayless took him out of the fight. Had Canelo shown up with Robert Garcia's game plan, I think he would've beaten Mayweather.

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    • techliam
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      #52
      Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
      That's an absurd statement.. So a guy doesn't get credit for having close victories.. Lmao

      So Leonard gets no credit for beating hagler
      Duran gets no credit for beating Leonard
      Holyfield gets no credit for beating bowe
      Roy jones gets no credit for beating tarver

      It's absurd to think a guy doesn't get credit just because the win was close..
      He gets as much credit as the outcome was ... he showed hes just as good as Trout and Lara but no better. How can your legacy be enhanced with wins that could easily have gone the other way? Unless of course, you apply the same to Trout and Lara, as those decisions are so split. Do you give Trout and Lara credit for the Canelo fight?

      I think theres a massive difference between a close but clear win, and a close fight which would be better scored a draw, like both Trout and Lara.

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      • R_Walken
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        #53
        Is his resume good for his age I think so, but some of it is smoke & mirrors and doesn't represent who he is as a fighter because this is boxing and he's a name he's going to get every benifit of doubt in a fight. He won the fight against Lara because of his name not what he did in the ring.

        I mean a judge gave him a draw against Mayweather and he basically got shut out , A close fight with Trout wasn't represented on the scorecards

        Is Canelo good yes , but I don't think he's great and honestly think he's a supernova in the sport.

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          #54
          He's OK, but his popularity is due to him being the "third man" in the Floyd/Manny saga before losing to both of them.

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          • Sugar Adam Ali
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            #55
            Originally posted by techliam
            He gets as much credit as the outcome was ... he showed hes just as good as Trout and Lara but no better. How can your legacy be enhanced with wins that could easily have gone the other way? Unless of course, you apply the same to Trout and Lara, as those decisions are so split. Do you give Trout and Lara credit for the Canelo fight?

            I think theres a massive difference between a close but clear win, and a close fight which would be better scored a draw, like both Trout and Lara.
            If Lara or trout had won, then yeah they would have been given credit..
            I just don't buy this notion that just because it was close doesn't mean they shouldn't get credit.. Every great fighter in history has had some close wins, that shouldn't diminish them, it just means they are fighting the top guys

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            • JJRod
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              #56
              Despite the criticism over how he won the fights, against Lara and Trout, it wasn't as if Lara and Trout completely dominated him, and he stole the fight. Both were close fights, in which the nod was given to Canelo.

              For his age, Canelo has a pretty good resume. People forget that despite the fact he has 40+ career professional fights, he is a kid with 0 amateur experience. So he's still learning on the job.

              For comparison we can take 21 year old Felix Verdejo, the outstanding PR Olympian prospect. Although in the pros he only has a 15-0 record, he has vast more experience in the ring than Canelo. His amateur record was something like 106-17. About 70+ more fights than Canelo. And it's still going to be a few years (unless Bob screws it up) before he's an experience pro.

              Canelo is still learning, and still growing as a fighter.

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              • -PBP-
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                #57
                Decent. He's still missing that Floyd/Diego Corrales, Manny Barrera type of performance though.

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                • Death_Adder
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by sbbigmike
                  B Level?????



                  C Level fighters have bested both Lara and Trout......................

                  Let me break down his resume............Canelo's resume is frivolous he has a blatant gift vs Tyner people seem to want to ignore, he struggled and underwhelmed vs Hatton, nearly got dropped by Jose Cotto and expect him to beat Miguel, he got bloodied and outworked to the finish line by a completely shot Mosley, Trout win was contested, he got beat into a fetal position by a small WW and quit basically vs Floyd, GB ****ery saved him when the fight started vs Angulo, and he nearly lost Lara who was only throwing like 10 punches a round........................


                  His names mean nothing he's all smoke and mirrors, plus from watching him closely his power is suspect, he aint have at WW and he only really showed it vs a JWW in Lopez..........


                  Bottom line is he's a completely average fighter, and his tape proves this time and time again
                  You're a f'n idiot. He's 24 years old. 24!

                  What was Mayweather doing at 23? Was he fighting the #1 P4P fighter at the time? No he was fighting bums like Augustus and Justin Jukko

                  How about Lara? What was he doing at 23? He wasn't even a pro, getting amateur wins in Cuba

                  Trout? Fighting bums at 23, didn't fight someone of Cotto's caliber until he was 27

                  While his wins weren't blowouts, or big spectacular KOs, his resume has been great for someone his age.

                  Your post sucks, just leave the internet.

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                  • Sugar Adam Ali
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by PBP
                    Decent. He's still missing that Floyd/Diego Corrales, Manny Barrera type of performance though.
                    He may never get those type of victories,, those were some elite level desmantlings, and are hard to come by, especially for a boxer puncher like canelo.. Oscar, Vargas, Shane, Tito, cotto, never had any real dismantlings in big fights.. Not a lot of shutouts or dominant knockouts in big fights vs elite guys..
                    It's not a knock, just hard for boxer punchers to score those types of dominate world class victories.. The 2 guys you mentioned are the 2 best of this generation and hard to have wins like those..

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                    • -PBP-
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
                      He may never get those type of victories,, those were some elite level desmantlings, and are hard to come by, especially for a boxer puncher like canelo.. Oscar, Vargas, Shane, Tito, cotto, never had any real dismantlings in big fights.. Not a lot of shutouts or dominant knockouts in big fights vs elite guys..
                      It's not a knock, just hard for boxer punchers to score those types of dominate world class victories.. The 2 guys you mentioned are the 2 best of this generation and hard to have wins like those..
                      You don't have to dismantle to impress.

                      Mosley looked sensational against De La Hoya after jumping weight classes.

                      Tito was a wrecking ball that was a bad example. We knew he had "it" immediately.

                      You can make an argument that Oscar lost to Whitaker but he looked like he belonged unlike Canelos 12-0 loss to Mayweayher.


                      It's a perfectly fair criticism. His record is pretty cool but he's getting a lot of these razor thin decisions.

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