Do People Forget Cotto Calls The Shots Against Canelo?

[Beater_of_ass]

Spin. Dude you make no sense and look absolutely ******ed. CBS has released their quarterly earnings reports as required by law. here is the 4th quarter 2013 report below.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2014/02/12/cbs-earnings/5432771/

CBS clearly states showtime is profitable. Are they lying?

Where is your evidence other than your opinion? I haven't seen the 2014 reports so maybe they may reveal something else. How about you support your opinion with something tangible.

Of course Showtime is profitable, Floyd never fights on Showtime he fights on PPV... Showtime makes money because they have people pay a monthly fee it has NOTHING to do with Mayweather's contract. Using simple numbers, CBS is losing money paying Floyd it's that simple it has absolutely nothing to do with Showtime.

[revs1227]

i dunnno ....canelo does better #s .....

[Deevel916]

Of course Showtime is profitable, Floyd never fights on Showtime he fights on PPV... Showtime makes money because they have people pay a monthly fee it has NOTHING to do with Mayweather's contract. Using simple numbers, CBS is losing money paying Floyd it's that simple it has absolutely nothing to do with Showtime.

This is true. Floyd is not a showtime fighter. He's a ppv fighter. Those who want to see Floyd fight dont have to subscribe to Showtime.

Showtime as a whole may be profitable but Showtime sports may not be. Showtime sports is just one fraction of the company.

[Beater_of_ass]

Did you forget about the gate? The gate which has been breaking records in revenue? And did you forget about all the sponsorship money? Theater revenue?

What about paying all those cameraman, the ref, the judges, the announcers, the people working the concessions... Yes, the casino gives the fighters a fee to fight there, but you are on crack if you think that the casino doesn't get any part of the gate fee, in fact they get a majority that's why they pay a fee. They say we can give you $5 million (assuming they'll make $10 million) that's exactly how business works. Only Floyd fans think all these businesses want Floyd to fight in their arena's so that they can pay Floyd and not make anything for themselves.

[The Big Dunn]

Of course Showtime is profitable, Floyd never fights on Showtime he fights on PPV... Showtime makes money because they have people pay a monthly fee it has NOTHING to do with Mayweather's contract. Using simple numbers, CBS is losing money paying Floyd it's that simple it has absolutely nothing to do with Showtime.

Will you produce something tangible to support your opinion? I provide facts that refute your claim. You then make a statement that isn't supported by anything.

You may want showtime to be losing money, but you haven't produced anything to show that this is true.

[The Big Dunn]

Floyd has no choice who he fights next, at least to a certain extent. CBS and NBC honchos had talks about making the Manny fight, Floyd is not his own boss his daddies at Showtime are. Floyd is not smarter than a massive corporation like CBS and a $200 million deal over 3 years didn't just happen without someone making sure CBS had some ways out of it or leverage over Floyd. I'm sure they were okay with Floyd fighting anybody if they were making money, they're losing money now and that isn't going to fly anymore. If a fight with Manny happens Arum will be involved Floyd has no choice, it'll be the same in a Cotto rematch and that's assuming Cotto has a long-term deal with them in place which no one really knows.

Floyd/Cotto 2 will happen with Arum involved if Showtime says that's who Floyd has to fight next or they just drop him from that contract. A condition of any contract is living up to your end of the deal, for CBS it's paying him $32 million a fight. For Floyd's its delivering PPV buys and he hasn't been doing that so Showtime has the leverage.

Of course Showtime is profitable, Floyd never fights on Showtime he fights on PPV... Showtime makes money because they have people pay a monthly fee it has NOTHING to do with Mayweather's contract. Using simple numbers, CBS is losing money paying Floyd it's that simple it has absolutely nothing to do with Showtime.

which is it BOA?

you also didn't address the post about SHowtime's not using its out clause. If Floyd is losing the company money, why haven't they exercised it.

[MDPopescu]

Showtime is a subsidiary of CBS...

CBS profit slips in the 2nd quarter of 2014...
(Aug 7, 2014)

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cbs-profit-slips-on-weaker-ad-licensing-revenue-2014-08-07

[The Big Dunn]

Showtime is a subsidiary of CBS...

CBS profit slips in the 2nd quarter of 2014...
(Aug 7, 2014)

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cbs...nue-2014-08-07

thank you, something tangible. from the article:

Subscription and affiliate fees increased 6.7% to $586 million amid higher rates at Showtime Networks, CBS Sports Network, and Smithsonian Networks.

Proves my rebuttal to Beater of Ass-anyone posting Showtime has been losing money since they signed the deal with Floyd is wrong. we now have 3 quarterly earnings report all showing showtime has not lost money.

Can this issue be put to rest now?

[radioraheem]

What about paying all those cameraman, the ref, the judges, the announcers, the people working the concessions... Yes, the casino gives the fighters a fee to fight there, but you are on crack if you think that the casino doesn't get any part of the gate fee, in fact they get a majority that's why they pay a fee. They say we can give you $5 million (assuming they'll make $10 million) that's exactly how business works. Only Floyd fans think all these businesses want Floyd to fight in their arena's so that they can pay Floyd and not make anything for themselves.

The cameramen are staff employees paid salaries, usually. It is one of the least of concerns in expenses. The judges are paid by NSAC. The concessions? They are usually independent and have to share some of the money they make. So forth and so forth. There's a lot of money revolving around the fight. But they make a lot of money off the gate. It is very profitable.

By default, the casinos are going to make millions because of the huge number of people coming into town. You are trying to negate every single point of revenue to fulfill your hatred towards one fighter.

I bet you never sing a word about HBO losing revenue over Manny Pacquaio who has a very very similar deal to Mayweather via Top Rank. Pacquaio gets on average $20 million per fight. Going by how you like to assume, we can guess that Top Rank's contract with HBO is at a nice $30 million per fight. And they just dish Pacquaio $20 million. And Pacquaio's PPV numbers have been considerably less than Floyd's overall in recent times.

[radioraheem]

which is it BOA?

you also didn't address the post about SHowtime's not using its out clause. If Floyd is losing the company money, why haven't they exercised it.

thank you, something tangible. from the article:

Subscription and affiliate fees increased 6.7% to $586 million amid higher rates at Showtime Networks, CBS Sports Network, and Smithsonian Networks.

Just makes my point-anyone that syas Showtime has been losing money since they signed the deal with Floyd is wrong. we now have 3 quarterly earnings report all showing showtime is making money.

Can this issue be put to rest now?

You totally took him to school. But he will never put it to rest because he's on an endless journey to make negative comments when it comes to Mayweather. He does it all the time.

He totally said Showtime would do this, and Showtime would do that. And yet, Showtime is happily 4 fights into the 6 fight contract.