Do People Forget Cotto Calls The Shots Against Canelo?

[Mr.Fantastic]

GGG (Roach hinted already), Mayweather rematch (Roach hinted already), Tim Bradley (Arum hinted), Pacquaio rematch, etc.

They can say all they want. I don't even see Floyd going up to 160 to challenge Cotto. I don't even see(as well as majority) Cotto fighting GGG. Pacquiao, won't happen with same trainer, if so, drain time, which won't happen. How many times has Arum hinted so many fights and they come to life? Too many! Tim fight very low probability.


You didn't really name any realistic fights.

[Dinamita 03]

GGG (Roach hinted already), Mayweather rematch (Roach hinted already), Tim Bradley (Arum hinted), Pacquaio rematch, etc.

Fighting a guy like GGG for less money and a higher risk of getting ko'd is more lucrative? And how the hell is Bradley more lucrative

Cotto is working with Arum so Floyd wouldn't accept that.

Having the same trainer makes it hard to negotiate against Manny and the fights would be in Vegas, apparently Cotton doesn't fight there.

[DatMofoThere85]

According to Steve Kim, PPV providers wouldn't allow 2 major competing PPVs in the same sport on the same night. So the thought of having to compete with a Mayweather PPV is out of the question. A more realistic outcome would be Cotto-Canelo getting announced sooner than expected so as to have the Cinco-de-Mayo PPV date locked in early. Las Vegas gives the promoters a bigger site fee and a tax break, the Mexican holiday adds to PPV buys and adds drama, and so Cotto would have to be prideful to the point of ******ity to not fight in Vegas on Cinco-de-Mayo weekend. Cotto might be pridefull, but Arum ain't ******. The fight is happening in May in Vegas on HBO PPV.

[icha]

Margarito didn't have ALL the leverage.

still they fought in vegas ...

[Mr.Fantastic]

Fighting a guy like GGG for less money and a higher risk of getting ko'd is more lucrative? And how the hell is Bradley more lucrative

Cotto is working with Arum so Floyd wouldn't accept that. Having the same trainer makes it hard to negotiate and the fights would be in Vegas, apparently Cotton doesn't fight there.

I forgot to mention that. TY

[radioraheem]

Even as a free agent Cotto isn't an idiot. He knows that although he is the A side, Canelo is a strong B side. Canelo together with Mayweaher did reach 2 million PPV buys, while Cotto and Mayweather did about 1.5. And it's not as if Cotto's last PPV against a better opponent in Martinez did miraculous numbers. They did about the same as Canelo/Angulo, and a few shades below Canelo/Lara.
You're on here criticizing Canelo for being relegated to regular HBO again, but if I recall after the Mayweather fight Cotto was on regular Showtime against Trout, and I could be wrong but he was also on regular HBO against Rodriguez.

Again I still recognize that Cotto being the lineal MW champ and being at this game a lot longer should still be considered the A side, but not by too much.

A negotiation for the fight being on May 5th weekend to me is not out of the question.

I'm not criticising Canelo. All I'm saying is that Cotto has the leverage, and I don't see Cotto relinquishing that leverage by fighting in Vegas.

May 5th is out of the question for a number of reasons. Cotto is just one of the reasons. The other huge reason is Mayweather. If Pacquaio wanted that date, he'd have a chance. Anyone else not named Pacquaio is only dreaming.

Cotto is going to give all the dreamers a rude awakening when they start seeing his demands and how he throws all of their assumptions in the trash can.

[radioraheem]

They can say all they want. I don't even see Floyd going up to 160 to challenge Cotto. I don't even see(as well as majority) Cotto fighting GGG. Pacquiao, won't happen with same trainer, if so, drain time, which won't happen. How many times has Arum hinted so many fights and they come to life? Too many! Tim fight very low probability.


You didn't really name any realistic fights.

They don't have to fight at 160 lbs. So it's still an option. Pacquaio rematch can happen, but without Roach. It's a possibility, but a low possibility.

[radioraheem]

Fighting a guy like GGG for less money and a higher risk of getting ko'd is more lucrative? And how the hell is Bradley more lucrative

Cotto is working with Arum so Floyd wouldn't accept that.

Having the same trainer makes it hard to negotiate against Manny and the fights would be in Vegas, apparently Cotton doesn't fight there.

I didn't mean 'more lucrative' than the Canelo fight. So my fault if I wrote 'more'. I just meant he has other lucrative options, fights where he can make solid cash outside of Canelo. Whereas Canelo... his options is more limited. Bradley is another fight where Cotto would make good money. Not crazy money, but still solid.

Cotto is a Free Agent. He works with Top Rank on a fight by fight basis. So he can still do a Mayweather rematch if he wanted.

[JJRod]

I'm not criticising Canelo. All I'm saying is that Cotto has the leverage, and I don't see Cotto relinquishing that leverage by fighting in Vegas.

May 5th is out of the question for a number of reasons. Cotto is just one of the reasons. The other huge reason is Mayweather. If Pacquaio wanted that date, he'd have a chance. Anyone else not named Pacquaio is only dreaming.

Cotto is going to give all the dreamers a rude awakening when they start seeing his demands and how he throws all of their assumptions in the trash can.

I have a feeling that if Cotto starts putting diva like demand on the fight, Canelo and his team will walk away from the negotiations and "squeeze" out a fight with Pacquiao.

But we'll see. Like I said, I just want the fight to get made. I haven't been excited about a PPV in a long time, and Cotto/Canelo definitely would get the excitment going.

[icha]

I'm not criticising Canelo. All I'm saying is that Cotto has the leverage, and I don't see Cotto relinquishing that leverage by fighting in Vegas.

May 5th is out of the question for a number of reasons. Cotto is just one of the reasons. The other huge reason is Mayweather. If Pacquaio wanted that date, he'd have a chance. Anyone else not named Pacquaio is only dreaming.

Cotto is going to give all the dreamers a rude awakening when they start seeing his demands and how he throws all of their assumptions in the trash can.

so basically you are hoping for cotto to go into diva mode for this fight not to happen... i think he is smarter than that to let a good deal pass away again... and even more i think is some good money involved for arum here to let that happen...