Most Overrated Boxers Of All Time?

[puga]

Maidana is a brawler, I wouldn't consider Chavez a brawler as such.

Chavez is more like Castillo, understandable considering they were training partners. I think that would be a better example.

I have no problem with people calling chino brawler but to say he was succesful with floyd because of brawling is far from accurate...

Jlc is definitely the poor mans version of jcc....case in point again..

[IronDanHamza]

I have no problem with people calling chino brawler but to say he was succesful with floyd because of brawling is far from accurate...

Jlc is definitely the poor mans version of jcc....case in point again..

I just added a bit to my last post after you replied.

About how Castillo had quite the size advantage on Floyd whereas Whitaker had a size advantage on Chavez. So I think that plays some part in it. I think size played quite a part on Floyd-Castillo.

As for Maidana, I don't know, I just struggle with the comparison because Chavez I think is so different to Maidana. They're nothing alike IMO, style wise that is, other than they're both aggressive and throw a lot of punches.

[puga]

I just added a bit to my last post after you replied.

About how Castillo had quite the size advantage on Floyd whereas Whitaker had a size advantage on Chavez. So I think that plays some part in it. I think size played quite a part on Floyd-Castillo.

As for Maidana, I don't know, I just struggle with the comparison because Chavez I think is so different to Maidana. They're nothing alike IMO, style wise that is, other than they're both aggressive and throw a lot of punches.

I dont think size had much to do with, if there was very lil imo..coz floyd wouldnt have struggled vs jesus chavez aswell as lil as he was ..

and since you struggle to see my point with maidana and chavez sr, may i ask what made marcos successful vs floyd?...

[IronDanHamza]

I dont think size had much something to do with, if there was very lil imo..coz floyd wouldnt have struggled vs jesus chavez aswell as lil as he was ..

and since you struggle to see my point with maidana and chavez sr, may i ask what made marcos successful vs floyd?...

The Chavez fight I think he struggled making weight, Chavez and Castillo aren't much alike either I would say. I think it's hard to compare all of these fights when they fighters aren't similar.

As for Maidana, I think the success was down to a few things, first Maidana having no respect for Floyd, secondly he's awkward and rough, thirdly Floyds quite a bit passed it, and lastly because Floyd wasn't fought an aggressive fighters who takes the fight to him in many many years.

That was my reasoning going into the first fight, why I thought it would be a tough fight for Floyd.

I think Chavez would be a tough fight aswell, very tough, but not for the same reasons Maidana would.

[Drugs]

Nice to see the thread staying on topic...

[puga]

The Chavez fight I think he struggled making weight, Chavez and Castillo aren't much alike either I would say. I think it's hard to compare all of these fights when they fighters aren't similar.

As for Maidana, I think the success was down to a few things, first Maidana having no respect for Floyd, secondly he's awkward and rough, thirdly Floyds quite a bit passed it, and lastly because Floyd wasn't fought an aggressive fighters who takes the fight to him in many many years.

That was my reasoning going into the first fight, why I thought it would be a tough fight for Floyd.

I think Chavez would be a tough fight aswell, very tough, but not for the same reasons Maidana would.

there are only so much styles to compare...some fighters are more versatile than the other, thats a given...the comparison i made with maidana and chavez was only on how chino fought floyd and how chavez sr fought, nothing else...

dont really agree with your reasons thats why i bropught up the jesus chavez fight at 130

had jcc fought floyd best belive he wouldve done the way he knew best , on the inside..the would've been the most obvious and effective approach

[IronDanHamza]

there are only so much styles to compare...some fighters are more versatile than the other, thats a given...the comparison i made with maidana and chavez was only on how chino fought floyd and how chavez sr fought, nothing else...

dont really agree with your reasons thats why i bropught up the jesus chavez fight at 130

had jcc fought floyd best belive he wouldve done the way he knew best , on the inside..the would've been the most obvious and effective approach

I disagree I think there's quite a vast range I styles. There's aggressive, there's defensive but there's so many different ways to do both. I think often times aggressive fighters especially are put all under the same umbrella.

I think there's little doubt that Chavez would present problems for Mayweather but like I said I think the reasoning being that Maidana gave him issues therefore Chavez would isn't sound because from what I see they aren't similar fighters other than both are aggressive.

[puga]

I disagree I think there's quite a vast range I styles. There's aggressive, there's defensive but there's so many different ways to do both. I think often times aggressive fighters especially are put all under the same umbrella.

I think there's little doubt that Chavez would present problems for Mayweather but like I said I think the reasoning being that Maidana gave him issues therefore Chavez would isn't sound because from what I see they aren't similar fighters other than both are aggressive.

lets name em:
boxer
boxer puncher
counterpuncher
swarmer/insidefighter/crowder/traditional pressure fighter
brawler/slugger
then there the multidimentionals..

feel free to add to the list...

hell even with the same style, fighters have diffrent approaches..

there are ofcourse the intagingles that we cannot see when fantasy matching fighters but to get to that is impossible..so we work with what we know...

this is the given: maidana fought floyd on the inside, chavez sr is excellent on the inside...lets not work the things we dont know , just the things we know

[IronDanHamza]

lets name em:
boxer
boxer puncher
counterpuncher
swarmer/insidefighter/crowder/traditional pressure fighter
brawler/slugger
then there the multidimentionals..

feel free to add to the list...

hell even with the same style, fighters have diffrent approaches..

there are ofcourse the intagingles that we cannot see when fantasy matching fighters but to get to that is impossible..so we work with what we know...

this is the given: maidana fought floyd on the inside, chavez sr is excellent on the inside...lets not work the things we dont know , just the things we know

You're just naming a style there though.

You can have two boxers for example that are entirely different. Hell, you can have 10 boxers that are all entirely different.

I don't think saying "fighter A is a brawler and fighter B is a brawler therefore fighter A and fighter B are the same" is correct.

Besides, I don't think Maidana and Chavez even have the same "style" like the ones listed anyway.

Maidana I wouldn't even consider an inside fighter, he had more success with Floyd from mid range.

Gone way off topic now but I think things are being looked at in a way that's too black and white when it's a lot more complex.

[puga]

You're just naming a style there though.

You can have two boxers for example that are entirely different. Hell, you can have 10 boxers that are all entirely different.

I don't think saying "fighter A is a brawler and fighter B is a brawler therefore fighter A and fighter B are the same" is correct.

Besides, I don't think Maidana and Chavez even have the same "style" like the ones listed anyway.

Maidana I wouldn't even consider an inside fighter, he had more success with Floyd from mid range.

Gone way off topic now but I think things are being looked at in a way that's too black and white when it's a lot more complex.

well, did nt you say there are vast range of styles..reason why i named as many as i could and asked you to add some more

and that fighter a and be thing, i made that clear in my previous post...

lol , marcos did not have his success on mid range but he did have good strat to not get worked on there but points wise , he did his success on roughing floyd up on the inside , everyone knew that that reason why many thought he was fighting dirty...he would'nt have been able to get dirty mid range, floyd was too smart for that...

like i said , im only making my claims based on what we know , forget the complexity coz that would make it impossible to argue your case or aganits mine...