I kept waiting for Klitschko-Lewis to get close....

[SeekDaGreat]

why does it matter what happened prior to Vitali qutting? Fighters are based on the fights outcome moreso than the performance. If you are getting beat but work to come back and then force your opponent to quit-you get credit for that.

Lennox was losing but inflicting damage on Vitali-he essentially lost a few battles but won the war. you don't get credit for winning battles, you get credit for making the other side surrender.

What do you mean by "Vitali quitting" refer me to the exact time on the YouTube video where Vitali quit please. This is a new one.

And what does anything matter that we talk about on the forum? That's what it's for, everything in general, nothing in particular, related to boxing.

I don't understand why people are thinking I have some underlining agenda or motive in regards to this post.

It's pretty ****in simple, and to the point. What I'm pointing out, is all I'm trying to get at, and say. Nothing more, nothing less.

[The Big Dunn]

What do you mean by "Vitali quitting" refer me to the exact time on the YouTube video where Vitali quit please. This is a new one.

And what does anything matter that we talk about on the forum? That's what it's for, everything in general, nothing in particular, related to boxing.

I don't understand why people are thinking I have some underlining agenda or motive in regards to this post.

It's pretty ****in simple, and to the point. What I'm pointing out, is all I'm trying to get at, and say. Nothing more, nothing less.

excuse me-when the fight was stopped.

I didn't say you had any agenda. I'm just saying that it doesn't matter what happened prior to the stoppage-all that matters is Lewis kept doing damage and won the fight.

Since the fight was stopped in the fashion it was, all of Vitali's "success" is null and void. Its just odd to see credit being given for losing or discussing how a fighter that lost by TKO looked prior to the TKO.

[SeekDaGreat]

You're the idiot, kid. Yes Lewis won the fight fair and square by inflicting great damage on his opponent in what had been a very competitive fight up to that point. According to you this means lewis was being dominated.

I don't see what's so hard to understand. If Vitali was dominating he wouldn't have had his face turned into this:



What's so hard about saying this was a tough, competitive fight? Why the desperate need to say Vitali dominated when he clearly didn't and ended up in such a battered state that the doctors had to step in to prevent him from taking further potentially career ending punishment?

If Vitali 'dominated' this fight then Germany 'dominated' the USSR in WWII ... fact is one guy could take what the other dished out, the other couldn't, got worn down, busted up and stopped.

what?


dude, when your opponent destroys your face with clean punches, you lose.


round by round scoring means nothing when a fighter can't go the distance.

who cares about who won the rounds? protect your face, vitali. you can freaking go blind from damage like that.

TKO6

You guys do realize it only takes on punch to open up a cut.

Stone: It would be very easy to me to say it was a close, competitive fight if that's what I saw/thought. I have no problem admitting to something that I am in compliance with. I'm not trolling you.

New Englad: it doesn't matter who wins the rounds when ultimately the only thing that matters is who wins the fight. That's not my point. I'm not refuting the decision, saying it was a robbery or conspiracy or anything. The gash was nasty, the stoppage was legit. However, none of that has anything to do with what I initially said, or what I was talking about through out this thread.

All I'm saying was I been hearing a lot about it was a close fight, and it was competitive. I waited for it to get competitive, and it never did. Klitschko dominated the rounds and lost because he was severely cut by one of Lewis few meaningful punches. That's fine.

[SeekDaGreat]

excuse me-when the fight was stopped.

I didn't say you had any agenda. I'm just saying that it doesn't matter what happened prior to the stoppage-all that matters is Lewis kept doing damage and won the fight.

Since the fight was stopped in the fashion it was, all of Vitali's "success" is null and void. Its just odd to see credit being given for losing or discussing how a fighter that lost by TKO looked prior to the TKO.

What do you mean? You mean boxers shouldn't get any credit because the got TKOd by a cut? It's a freak cut. It could happen to anyone. It's not Klitschko hasn't been hit with something similar that didn't create the same damage.

There's nothing weird about giving a man credit for fighting a helluva fight, even in a losing performance.

It's weird that you think boxers shouldn't get credit if they perform well in victory or defeat. That's weird to me.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

i will watch the fight again during lunch

[New England]

i will watch the fight again during lunch

i will tko 6 those fries if you don't want to finish them.

[Weltschmerz]

You're the idiot, kid. Yes Lewis won the fight fair and square by inflicting great damage on his opponent in what had been a very competitive fight up to that point. According to you this means lewis was being dominated.

I don't see what's so hard to understand. If Vitali was dominating he wouldn't have had his face turned into this:



What's so hard about saying this was a tough, competitive fight? Why the desperate need to say Vitali dominated when he clearly didn't and ended up in such a battered state that the doctors had to step in to prevent him from taking further potentially career ending punishment?

If Vitali 'dominated' this fight then Germany 'dominated' the USSR in WWII ... fact is one guy could take what the other dished out, the other couldn't, got worn down, busted up and stopped.

That cut is bad, but it is not eye threatening. You get carried away with all the blood I guess. He was fine to continue. He had visibility in both eyes, unlike say Margarito when Pac was over with him.

Faqqot doctor stoppage, probably fixed too.

[Unseen]

It's been along time and keep hearing this was a close fight....and I kept waiting for it to get close: I JUST finished watching it on YouTube, therefore do not try and refute with your 11-year old memory, go back and watch the fight. It was a white-wash going into the 6th round with Lewis only winning one round.

Don't get me wrong, Lewis landed a few bombs, BUT THATS IT.

Not a close fight.

It wasn't close. Vitali got a vagina on his eye and got stopped. That is far from close.

[-MAKAVELLI-]

i will tko 6 those fries if you don't want to finish them.

im gonna do a tuna melt today, brutha...i havent had fries in 3 weeks...im due

[The Big Dunn]

What do you mean? You mean boxers shouldn't get any credit because the got TKOd by a cut? It's a freak cut. It could happen to anyone. It's not Klitschko hasn't been hit with something similar that didn't create the same damage.

There's nothing weird about giving a man credit for fighting a helluva fight, even in a losing performance.

It's weird that you think boxers shouldn't get credit if they perform well in victory or defeat. That's weird to me.

Maybe you are the victim of other posters growing tired of vitali, manny and matthysse fans tendencies to discuss performance rather than outcomes because the guy they like lost. These people give more credit to the loser than the winner-which I think you can admit is problematic.

As for credit, I can only give you an example from my past. I was a kid and watched Mike Weaver KO john tate in the 15th round. Tate won 13 of the 1st 14 rounds. When guys discussed this fight (well before the NSB days) no one ever mentioned how well tate did, just that weaver found a way to win. SO yes, its not until I got to NSB that the phenomenon of "giving the winner less credit than the loser" and talking about performance over outcome became a reality.

Again, you may not be doing this and it could be falsely interpreted.