Comments Thread For: David Haye Vows To Be Heavyweight Champion Again

[bojangles1987]

I didn't pull "you have to win every belt to be champion" from anywhere. I didn't write that, you did, so I don't know why you are putting quotation marks around it.
What you did say is that only one man can be the world champion, everybody else is just a beltholder.
And if you don't get to be the world champion by winning a championship belt, and being the best in your division, like GGG, then how do you do it?
If GGG isn't the middleweight champ, then why is Wlad the heavyweight champ?
It's difficult to go down the man who beat the man who beat the man route in the heavies, because Lewis retired unbeaten. But most people who tried it ended up with Vitali as the "lineal" champ, not Wlad.

"According to your logic, there isn't a single world champion in present day boxing, because no one man holds all the belts in any division." I never posted anything suggesting I believe this. You pulled it out of nowhere.

Wlad is the heavyweight champ because after Lewis retired and Vitali got hurt, he beat damn near everyone in the division. He's clearly the champion.

At middleweight, there's a clear lineage and Cotto ascended that throne. I don't like it, but it is what it is. Pacquiao is not the welterweight champion. Neither is Brook. Mayweather is the welterweight champion, and everyone else are just beltholders. Froch is not super middleweight champion, Ward is. Santa Cruz and Frampton are not super bantamweight champion, Rigondeaux is.

It's simple stuff. There are some divisions where there's no man who deserves to be called THE champion, but in most divisions there is.

[bigjavi973]

"According to your logic, there isn't a single world champion in present day boxing, because no one man holds all the belts in any division." I never posted anything suggesting I believe this. You pulled it out of nowhere.

Wlad is the heavyweight champ because after Lewis retired and Vitali got hurt, he beat damn near everyone in the division. He's clearly the champion.

At middleweight, there's a clear lineage and Cotto ascended that throne. I don't like it, but it is what it is. Pacquiao is not the welterweight champion. Neither is Brook. Mayweather is the welterweight champion, and everyone else are just beltholders. Froch is not super middleweight champion, Ward is. Santa Cruz and Frampton are not super bantamweight champion, Rigondeaux is.

It's simple stuff. There are some divisions where there's no man who deserves to be called THE champion, but in most divisions there is.

Agreed. Too many "paper" championships to go around from "regular", "world" and "super world"... im sure there are more... yea lol dont they have a "diamond" belt too? lol

[just the facts]

He was heavyweight champion before. He won the WBA belt from Valuev in 2009 and lost it to Wlad.

belt holder, not champion, belt holder

[texasboi15]

Love him or hate him. He brings some excitement in the Heavyweight Division.

Thank you

Injured or not Haye was Wlad's toughest opponent in over a decade

The whole "David Haye versus the Klitschkos" circus was the last time I paid attention to the heavyweight division

[soul_survivor]

If Haye can comeback to how he was before injury and surgery then yeah, he can beat guys as slow as Stiverne, Haye probably hits harder too. Can he beat someone the size of Wilder? Probably. Wlad? No. Fury? Yes.

[LacedUp]

I never said anything remotely close to "you have to win every belt to be champion." I don't know where you pulled that from.

Wladimir Klitschko is clearly the HW champion of the world. He was clearly the HW champion of the world when Haye won his paper belt. Haye was a beltholder, he was never HW champion.

In most divisions, there's a man who beat the man who beat the man and that man is the only one who should be called the champion of that division.

This is not true.

[Lou Cipher]

Haye already is the Heavyweight Champion. It's borderline criminal to suggest anyone can even compete with him outside of the Klitchkos....and those bums are finished. Hell even in his prime Wlad couldnt even hurt the guy while his foot was broken.

[bojangles1987]

This is not true.

Why not? Who else was there with a real claim to the title?

[kafkod]

Wlad is the heavyweight champ because after Lewis retired and Vitali got hurt, he beat damn near everyone in the division. He's clearly the champion.
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Lol. He's beaten everybody now, but when Haye was WBA champion, that was before Wlad had beaten him, get it?
After Wlad beat Haye, Wlad became became WBA champion. That happened because until Wlad beat him, Haye was the WBA champion, and many people believed that he was also the best heavyweight in the world. Get it?

[LacedUp]

Why not? Who else was there with a real claim to the title?

Vitali Klitschko for example. Wlad really only held two belts at the time and many were torn between who the real champ was even though most recognized wlas as the best perhaps.