Comments Thread For: David Haye Vows To Be Heavyweight Champion Again

[kafkod]

It is a bit disputable seeing as Valuev lost the WBA title to Ruslan Chagaev.

It isn't even a teeny, tiny little bit disputable. Check the records. Valuev did lose the WBA title to Chagaev but he won it back from John Ruiz.
I watched Haye vs Valuev and I saw David Haye leave the ring with the WBA belt. Haye was the WBA champion, there's no doubt about that whatsoever.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

It isn't even a teeny, tiny little bit disputable. Check the records. Valuev did lose the WBA title to Chagaev but he won it back from John Ruiz.
I watched Haye vs Valuev and I saw David Haye leave the ring with the WBA belt. Haye was the WBA champion, there's no doubt about that whatsoever.

It's disputable whether he was a genuine world champion. Chagaev was stripped because he had a viral infection and couldn't defend the title against Valuev in a certain country or some trivial **** like that.

Scott Quigg parades around with a WBA belt but no one really considers him a real world champion.

[bojangles1987]

According to your logic, there isn't a single world champion in present day boxing, because no one man holds all the belts in any division. And you can't get around that by saying the best beltholder is the champ. GGG has 2 belts at middleweight and, according to you, is the best in that division, but not the world champion.
If you are in fact saying that you don't believe there any world champions at all right now, then fair enough, that's a valid point of view. But it would mean that there hasn't been a world heavyweight champ since Lewis retired and that neither of the Klitschko brothers were ever world champs, they were both just beltholders, the same as Haye.

I never said anything remotely close to "you have to win every belt to be champion." I don't know where you pulled that from.

Wladimir Klitschko is clearly the HW champion of the world. He was clearly the HW champion of the world when Haye won his paper belt. Haye was a beltholder, he was never HW champion.

In most divisions, there's a man who beat the man who beat the man and that man is the only one who should be called the champion of that division.

[paulf]

Haye would most likely KTFO Stiverne.

People underrate Haye because he's an ******* and a liar, but he would KO Stiverne, Wilder, and Fury.

[kafkod]

It's disputable whether he was a genuine world champion. Chagaev was stripped because he had a viral infection and couldn't defend the title against Valuev in a certain country or some trivial **** like that.

Scott Quigg parades around with a WBA belt but no one really considers him a real world champion.

If nobody holds all the belts in any division, it's disputable whether anybody is a genuine world champion. What isn't disputable is that David Haye was the WBA world champion till he lost that title to Wlad.

Scott Quigg is a different matter. Nobody considers him to be a real world champion because he only holds the WBA "regular" belt. You know, the one they give to somebody who isn't the "real" WBA champion.

[White_Knight]

Haye would most likely KTFO Stiverne.

It would be a interesting fight. Everything I've seen suggests Stiverne's chin is good.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

If nobody holds all the belts in any division, it's disputable whether anybody is a genuine world champion. What isn't disputable is that David Haye was the WBA world champion till he lost that title to Wlad.

Scott Quigg is a different matter. Nobody considers him to be a real world champion because he only holds the WBA "regular" belt. You know, the one they give to somebody who isn't the "real" WBA champion.

That's basically what Valuev was at time. He got given a title based purely on a technicality.

[kafkod]

No, I'm acknowledging the truth that today's boxing world tries to ignore.

Only one man is the champion of a division. Anyone else with a belt is just a beltholder, they aren't middleweight champion or heavyweight champion or welterweight champion. Haye was just a beltholder, not heavyweight champion.

Lots of very good fighters aren't champion. Manny Pacquiao is an ATG, but he isn't welterweight champion. Golovkin is the best middleweight, but he isn't middleweight champion.

I never said anything remotely close to "you have to win every belt to be champion." I don't know where you pulled that from.

Wladimir Klitschko is clearly the HW champion of the world. He was clearly the HW champion of the world when Haye won his paper belt. Haye was a beltholder, he was never HW champion.

In most divisions, there's a man who beat the man who beat the man and that man is the only one who should be called the champion of that division.

I didn't pull "you have to win every belt to be champion" from anywhere. I didn't write that, you did, so I don't know why you are putting quotation marks around it.
What you did say is that only one man can be the world champion, everybody else is just a beltholder.
And if you don't get to be the world champion by winning a championship belt, and being the best in your division, like GGG, then how do you do it?
If GGG isn't the middleweight champ, then why is Wlad the heavyweight champ?
It's difficult to go down the man who beat the man who beat the man route in the heavies, because Lewis retired unbeaten. But most people who tried it ended up with Vitali as the "lineal" champ, not Wlad.

[millcitymauler]

Well, it took Evander some time to finally face reality..I'm sure Haye will get there at some point.

[bigjavi973]

Again???? When was he ever the heavyweight champion? A couple guys named Klitschko are the only ones that can make that claim in the last decade.

He was the WBA World Heavyweight Champion. Only knock on that, is that wlad was the WBA Super World Heavyweight Champion. Oh wait, that "super world" title was originally up for grabs in the Wlad vs Haye fight. So that technically means, that david haye was an Ex-Wba heavyweight champ.