Canelo: "I'm fighting in May and Sept regardless who else fights!"

[tomhawq]

i have given my prediction regarding this cinco de mayo battle, which doesn't have anything to do with any other fighter than canelo and tbe, who would have to give way to the mexican superstar's wishes. those dates are mexican holidays. oscar and canelo are mexicans, fyi.

what is your prediction?

[Deevel916]

where else in Vegas is Manny going to fight?

we agree its going to be interesting how it all plays out. As of this post-I think MGM may lean toward Canelo.

Just don't underestimating the amount of revenue Floyd makes everyone in Vegas when he fights. His gate for the Maidana fights were larger than ODH v Manny gate.

No one would believe that if you told them prior to either fight.

I've read that Floyd does the higher gates for the MGM but that Pacquiao fights generate more money for Vegas as a whole due to asians who come to gamble and we all know how much asians love to gamble.

Look at Macau. Its been reported that it does 7 times the business that Vegas does. In 2013 Macau brought in $45 Billion in ******** revenue vs $6.5 billion for Vegas.

Now if both Arum and Pac can continue to make big $ from the huge site fee's that Macau is paying Arum, and the $20mil guarantee that Pac is making without having to dish out almost 40% in taxes to uncle sam by not fighting here in the states, I can see them finishing his career fighting in Macau.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/06/news/macau-casino-********/

[The Big Dunn]

i have given my prediction regarding this cinco de mayo battle, which doesn't have anything to do with any other fighter than canelo and tbe, who would have to give way to the mexican superstar's wishes. those dates are mexican holidays. oscar and canelo are mexicans, fyi.

what is your prediction?

MGM is in Las Vegas, Nevada. Nevada isn't in Mexico. May 5th isn't a holiday in the USA. The PPV buyrate everyone will look at is in the USA.

What does Canelo being a "Mexican superstar" have to with anything?

[Deevel916]

MGM is in Las Vegas, Nevada. Nevada isn't in Mexico. May 5th isn't a holiday in the USA. The PPV buyrate everyone will look at is in the USA.

What does Canelo being a "Mexican superstar" have to with anything?

Umm... There are hundreds of thousands of Mexicans who live within driving distance from the MGM in Vegas. Cinco de Mayo is a Mexican holiday that's celebrated by Mexicans. Yes even the ones living here in the states!

[Wolfie*]

It's funny you are a Pac fan. Because if Canelo-Cotto makes a PPV move for early next year, it will hurt Pacquaio's PPV numbers too. Unless Pacquaio fights before Canelo/Cotto, and Mayweather fights before Canelo/Cotto. If that happens, Canelo/Cotto is guaranteed to fail as a PPV. There's really only room for 2 PPV stars.

Also, Pacquaio also requires a HUGE purse. If Floyd is getting $32 million, HBO must be giving Pacquaio like $20 million. Whatever the number, it is also HUGE.

That doesn't make sense because Pacquiao isn't planning on fighting on Mexican holidays. There was like four PPV's so far with Maidana/Floyd, Cotto/Martinez, Canelo vs Angulo, Canelo vs Lara, and Manny managed to do fair numbers. I don't see the correlation at all. Besides manny doesn't rely on the Hispanic fan base like Floyd.

[The Big Dunn]

I've read that Floyd does the higher gates for the MGM but that Pacquiao fights generate more money for Vegas as a whole due to asians who come to gamble and we all know how much asians love to gamble.

Look at Macau. Its been reported that it does 7 times the business that Vegas does. In 2013 Macau brought in $45 Billion in ******** revenue vs $6.5 billion for Vegas.

Now if both Arum and Pac can continue to make big $ from the huge site fee's that Macau is paying Arum, and the $20mil guarantee that Pac is making without having to dish out almost 40% in taxes to uncle sam by not fighting here in the states, I can see them finishing his career fighting in Macau.

http://money.cnn.com/2014/01/06/news...sino-********/

I haven't seen that. Macau is significantly larger than Vegas and does do much bigger business. Manny's fights are paired with the most popular Chinese fighter there is. I think its fair to say Zou is the attraction, just not on US ppv..

Manny may finish his career there. Then you just use Canelo and Chavez to replace those dates. It was obvious when Manny got KTFO and the crowd erupted that the bulk of the live gate was their to support JMM. I think canelo and chavez bring those fans in.

Floyd fights, once the numbers are in from this year, will have generated nearly $900 mil US. Do you realize how hard it is for ANYONE to do?

[The Big Dunn]

Umm... There are hundreds of thousands of Mexicans who live within driving distance from the MGM in Vegas. Cinco de Mayo is a Mexican holiday that's celebrated by Mexicans. Yes even the ones living here in the states!

I'm aware-but you know exactly what that clowns point was so that is why I responded that way.

[tomhawq]

MGM is in Las Vegas, Nevada. Nevada isn't in Mexico. May 5th isn't a holiday in the USA. The PPV buyrate everyone will look at is in the USA.

What does Canelo being a "Mexican superstar" have to with anything?

that doesn't have to do with anything. let's make it clear. canelo/oscar won't be backing down no matter what the repercussions are, ie, ppv, ticket sales, etc. it doesn't matter to them. they are willing to take risks.

obviously, both sides will be affected if they fight on the same date. question is will mayweather take a risk?

doe, don't argue about canelo/oscar giving up those dates. they won't.

[Deevel916]

I haven't seen that. Macau is significantly larger than Vegas and does do much bigger business. Manny's fights are paired with the most popular Chinese fighter there is. I think its fair to say Zou is the attraction, just not on US ppv..

Manny may finish his career there. Then you just use Canelo and Chavez to replace those dates. It was obvious when Manny got KTFO and the crowd erupted that the bulk of the live gate was their to support JMM. I think canelo and chavez bring those fans in.

Floyd fights, once the numbers are in from this year, will have generated nearly $900 mil US. Do you realize how hard it is for ANYONE to do?

This is true and quite impressive but this is why I'm saying it wouldnt be smart for the MGM to snub Canelo as they will need him once Floyd retires after his next 2 fights. Canelo can draw the same crowd fighting in the Staples Center or in Texas. He doesnt necessarily needs the MGM the way Floyd does. The MGM needs Canelo more than he needs the MGM.

[AllBoxingAD]

This is true and quite impressive but this is why I'm saying it wouldnt be smart for the MGM to snub Canelo as they will need him once Floyd retires after his next 2 fights. Canelo can draw the same crowd fighting in the Staples Center or in Texas. He doesnt necessarily needs the MGM the way Floyd does. The MGM needs Canelo more than he needs the MGM.

Untrue.

Casinos give the biggest site fees to promoters. Because people will usually stay the whole weekend and spend big money the entire weekend. Once you get to a stadium, theres nothing to really spend money on. Thats why the biggest fights are in casinos and not stadiums. Thats why the Staples Center and even Jerry World cannot compete with MGM. Its not how many you can draw, its how much your draw will spend there.

Big name boxers need big name casinos.