Where is Calzaghe P4P?

[BadMagick]

That 40 years old will beat any version of Cal. When Taylor beat Hopkins he was the #1 P4P guy. Taylor should be in top 3, not Cal with his win against Lacy.

Taylor top 3? What happened to everyone hating Taylor, and saying it was a disgrace he was the king of that division?

The top 4 are

1 Wright
2 Pac
3 Floyd
4 Barrera

That is clear, at least for me. It gets interesting though in the next 6. In no particular order:

R Marquez
Castillo
Taylor
Tarver
Hatton
Calzaghe

The top 4 aren't in order, either, are they? Pac and Wright over Floyd?

[.::EnRiQuE::.]

LOL! CAlzaghe's shockingly amazing performance has evryone's p4p list in a mess. That was possibly one of the best performances i've seen(recently). I dont have Calzaghe above 5 on the list because he beat Lacy,(a young, good champ)because Lacy wasn't really on many p4p lists that i have seen. Calzaghe gets 5-6 on the p4p list for me...

BTW, that fight was brilliant. I wanted Lacy to win, but it was hard not to root for Calzaghe when he was puttin on such a BRILLIANT show.

[blockhead]

GTFOOH LOL

Taylor #4? Really... and what has he done other than won 2 fights by a very, very, f'ing very close desisions over a 40+ year old...?

Castillo? Good one... Someone who has 3 losses in his last 12 fights

Wright #1? Because he embarassed Trini..? Well, Lacy completely outclassed Lacy, and?

Oh.. I know...... It's the American, anti-European factor again, that's what it is... the bias view got into your head

tarver on that list is a joke as well imo

[mECHsLAVE]

Beating Jones, who was clearly ranked #1 at the time moved Tarver to 8th if he was lucky. Some didn't have him in at all.

The majority of pound for pound lists as of late did not even have Lacy on them.

How does that vault Joe into the top ten?

Makes no sense.

First of all, there were numerous threads about the winner of this fight being top 10 P4P. Most agreed the winner should be.

Second of all, name a better, more dominating exhibition of pure ring generalship and boxing skill against as good a fighter as Lacy over the past year. You can't do it. Pac beat Morales in a brawl. Immensely impressive, yes, but he stormed in through punches. Not what has historically made fighters P4P. Castillo vs. Corrales 2, maybe. That's about it.

And as for Tarver, he was 1-1 with Jones after he KO'd him the second time. And KO'ing a fighter, while impressive, wouldn't (to me) move you up as far in the P4P rankings as taking a reigning champion like Lacy (who 99% of the non-Brits on this board, myself included, picked to beat Calzaghe) and making him look like a toughman contest reject. It was such a total and complete domination of a extremely dangerous and talented fighter, that I think coupled with his title reign and undefeated record against the best competition the division had to offer (anyone who is calling Lacy 'green' is a Calzaghe hater in denial, no doubt) should vault him deep into the P4P rankings.

Let's face it, Hopkins moved up into top 3 P4P after one career defining win over Tito, which most picked him to lose. Mosely jumped into Top 3 P4P after beating DLH, a fight most picked him to lose. Calzaghe can move into the Top 5 with this one, I think. Anyone here who says their jaw wasn't on the floor watching the fight last night with surprise at how Calzaghe basically toyed with Lacy is not being truthful.

[velvet fog]

Calzaghe is easy top 10. People are acting like he came out of nowhere and just got put on the map. The guy is 41-0, and the longest reigning champ in boxing. He should have been top 20 before the Lacy fight by default.

After the performance he gave last night, it is no way a stretch to make him top 10 or 8.

[scap]

First of all, there were numerous threads about the winner of this fight being top 10 P4P. Most agreed the winner should be.

Second of all, name a better, more dominating exhibition of pure ring generalship and boxing skill against as good a fighter as Lacy over the past year. You can't do it. Pac beat Morales in a brawl. Immensely impressive, yes, but he stormed in through punches. Not what has historically made fighters P4P. Castillo vs. Corrales 2, maybe. That's about it.

And as for Tarver, he was 1-1 with Jones after he KO'd him the second time. And KO'ing a fighter, while impressive, wouldn't (to me) move you up as far in the P4P rankings as taking a reigning champion like Lacy (who 99% of the non-Brits on this board, myself included, picked to beat Calzaghe) and making him look like a toughman contest reject. It was such a total and complete domination of a extremely dangerous and talented fighter, that I think coupled with his title reign and undefeated record against the best competition the division had to offer (anyone who is calling Lacy 'green' is a Calzaghe hater in denial, no doubt) should vault him deep into the P4P rankings.

Let's face it, Hopkins moved up into top 3 P4P after one career defining win over Tito, which most picked him to lose. Mosely jumped into Top 3 P4P after beating DLH, a fight most picked him to lose. Calzaghe can move into the Top 5 with this one, I think. Anyone here who says their jaw wasn't on the floor watching the fight last night with surprise at how Calzaghe basically toyed with Lacy is not being truthful.

You make a great point about Hopkins...after his fight with Tito and even though Nard got the stoppage against the former welterweight superstar he still did not put on the performance that Joe did last night.

Was Lacy in the top 10 p4p...no he was not-but does this mean Joe should not crack the list? I think you have to give some extra credit points for the performance, this was as good a performacne as I have ever seen, I think it out does Winky over Tito, I think it outdoes Nard over Tito, I think it out does Barerra over Prince I think it out does Jones over Toney...Buster Douglas's fight with Tyson is the only performance I can think of that could be better and for that Joe should be in everyones top 10 now.

Im just happy that I dont have to sell Joe Calzaghe to anyone anymore...CALZAGHE INC just went public baby!

[Katz]

his performance reminds me of Pac-Barrera. A total beatdown, the difference is Joe beat Jeff in his home town, While Pac beat Barrera infront of his people.

[Run]

Second of all, name a better, more dominating exhibition of pure ring generalship and boxing skill against as good a fighter as Lacy over the past year. You can't do it. Pac beat Morales in a brawl. Immensely impressive, yes, but he stormed in through punches. Not what has historically made fighters P4P. Castillo vs. Corrales 2, maybe. That's about it.

Your points have been dead on the money as of late.

I personally viewed this victory as the most impressive I've ever seen in the years i've been watching boxing. People could call that a "stretch" or whatnot.....but I maintain. Lacy was a bulldozer in his prime deadlocked at taking over the division, and the Underrated reigning champion not only beat him....but kicked his ass all over the place.

This is not a one in a lifetime victory for Joe....considering he'd beat Lacy 10/10 times IMO. He clearly showed he was the better fighter, on top of that.....he showed his weaponry in the ring. AGAINST JEFF LACY.



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[Bozo_no no]

First of all, there were numerous threads about the winner of this fight being top 10 P4P. Most agreed the winner should be.

Where?

Second of all, name a better, more dominating exhibition of pure ring generalship and boxing skill against as good a fighter as Lacy over the past year. You can't do it. Pac beat Morales in a brawl. Immensely impressive, yes, but he stormed in through punches. Not what has historically made fighters P4P. Castillo vs. Corrales 2, maybe. That's about it.

It was a dominating win, but again, I don't think one fighter dominating another fighter that isn't on the pound for pound list does a whole lot for me.

Especially, as with the case of Calzaghe, when the winning fighter hasn't done anything of note in years.

Let's face it, Hopkins moved up into top 3 P4P after one career defining win over Tito, which most picked him to lose. Mosely jumped into Top 3 P4P after beating DLH, a fight most picked him to lose. Calzaghe can move into the Top 5 with this one, I think. Anyone here who says their jaw wasn't on the floor watching the fight last night with surprise at how Calzaghe basically toyed with Lacy is not being truthful.

Comparing Lacy with Trinidad coming off multi divisional titles in a string of PPV KO's is a might stretch. As is comparing him to Oscar, who was at his 4th weight coming off his only career loss, a very contraversial loss to Trinidad.

In both those cases you the fighters that lost being proven pound for pound super stars.

Lacy was looking like a great prospect, was strong, and the way Calazghe beat him was admirable and shocking and very impressive.

But suggesting beating a fighter with 21 pro fights who hadn't beat serious competition himself should vault Joe into the top 5 is way too rash.

As I said, 8 - 10, maybe, but no way should he be any higher than that.

[Famoso Matador]

I think Calzaghe could be considered 7th. Alot of people say his record is padded but he has some decent opponents in his resume including sheika, reid, Mitchell. I dont recall the super middleweight division being deep in talent in recent time. Just like the middleweight division when Hopkins was champion, though i dont think Calzaghe can be compared to hopkins yet. I hope calzaghe has at least one more fight at super middleweight so he can take on kessler, dont think beyer would dare step into the ring with Calzaghe.