What is supposed to be good about Porter?

[New England]

Are you joking with this statement? If Ward and Floyd were the same size Floyd would box dudes ears straight off.

do i sound like i'm joking?

andre ward wouldn't have that level of difficulty with marcos maidana if they were the same size.

did you see what devon alexander did to marcos maidana?

floyd mayweather is well past his prime. he will not fight forever. fanboys obviously can't see that, or will put their heads in the sand to avoid the reality.

[IronDanHamza]

do i sound like i'm joking?

andre ward wouldn't have that level of difficulty with marcos maidana if they were the same size.

did you see what devon alexander did to marcos maidana?

floyd mayweather is well past his prime. he will not fight forever. fanboys obviously can't see that, or will put their heads in the sand to avoid the reality.

But Ward struggled with Bika though.

[New England]

Well Ward struggled with Bika.

Who's worse than Maidana.

Ward doesn't have a legitimate win since 2011 he shouldn't be on any P4P list.

ward did not struggle with sakio bika, certainly not the way mayweather did with marcos maidana. that's absolutely ridiculous.


you've got beef with a lot of different p4p list, dan, because every credible writer in this sport ranks ward in his p4p list.

it makes sense, you know, when he's the planet's best boxer not named guillermo.

[IronDanHamza]

ward did not struggle with sakio bika, certainly not the way mayweather did with marcos maidana. that's absolutely ridiculous.


you've got beef with a lot of different p4p list, dan, because every credible writer in this sport ranks ward in his p4p list.

it makes sense, you know, when he's the planet's best boxer not named guillermo.

Yes he did. He clearly did struggle with Bika. That was a close fight despite the ridiculous scorecards. Ward won but in no way was it easy. And Bika isn't really that good he's worse than Maidana atleast and that's Ward in his prime.

Yeah I know but it's ridiculous. The guy doesn't have an impressive win in 3 years.

[LacedUp]

do i sound like i'm joking?

andre ward wouldn't have that level of difficulty with marcos maidana if they were the same size.

did you see what devon alexander did to marcos maidana?

floyd mayweather is well past his prime. he will not fight forever. fanboys obviously can't see that, or will put their heads in the sand to avoid the reality.

I would just like to know what you base it on.

Ward has fought twice in three years in 3 years, yet he's above Mayweather who's coming off wins over Maidana, Canelo, Cotto, Guerrero, Ortiz in that same period. All champions except for Guerrero in the weight class they fought in.

What's ridiculous is that you're giving Ward fantasy points for something he 'might' have done, not what he has done.

[New England]

one of these fighters really struggles in defeat, certainly worse than the other. he's on the ropes and eating body shots and right hands to the head. the decision was controversial. i thought floyd won the fight, but a lot of largely unbiased people had it a draw, and even a few had maidana winning.



i do agree that maidana is a better fighter than bika, but how much better? bika's been a contender at SMW for a while. maidana beat broner, who was really a smaller guy moving up. in his only other big fight at WW, he was completely shut down by devon alexander. if we're saying that ward "struggled" with bika, we can surely say that maidana "struggled" with demarcus corley. erik morales, and victor ortiz [down three times, almost out,] too.

[New England]

I would just like to know what you base it on.

Ward has fought twice in three years in 3 years, yet he's above Mayweather who's coming off wins over Maidana, Canelo, Cotto, Guerrero, Ortiz in that same period. All champions except for Guerrero in the weight class they fought in.

What's ridiculous is that you're giving Ward fantasy points for something he 'might' have done, not what he has done.

when i rank a fighter historically, i look at his resume and his ability, with a stronger emphasis on resume. this is actually much less subjective than it is to rank a fighter p4p. p4p lists are completely abstract, unless fighters have common opponents or have fought each other.

when i rank fighters p4p, i look much more heavily at his ability. i want to know who the best fighter on the planet is, not whose resume looks the best. that's what a pound for pound list is.

you're projecting with the p4p list. these fighters cannot fight, yet we compare them anyway. when i rank a fighter p4p, i'm comparing them as if they were the same size, based on his ability and his accomplishments.


ward hit froch, kessler, so hard the brits forget all about it.


"our carl is a great fighter
andre ward, the guy who shut him out, sucks doe!"


froch won't even fight andre ward. let's just make sure that's understood by everybody in the thread. froch won't even fight ward.

you guys drop andre ward from your list quickly because you don't like him for what he's done to your heroes. he fought a top 10 fighter in november, and shut him out. every other major ranking body has him in their top 5. it is what it is, man. i don't have any bias like that.


if ward doesn't have a fight by november, regardless of whether or not a fight is scheduled, i'll remove him. when he whips ass, as long as it's not against ron salka, i'll probably put him back to the top of the list if he looks great.

[dan_cov]

What is actually going on with Andre Ward?

Such a shame he has wasted so many of his prime years. I would love to see him against Andre Dirrell & Kovalev should he beat B-Hop

I like him but I've always remained skeptical.
I'd love to see against someone who had quick feet whether a runner like Dirrell or an offensive machine like The Krusher.

I can't help but notice that Abraham, Bika, Froch, Kessler, Rodriguez all have very slow feet that don't react.

Hes a very good boxer how good is anybodies guess.

[The Surgeon]

Mayweather
Ward
Rigondeux
Golovkin


My top 4 p4p right now....What???

[New England]

Mayweather
Ward
Rigondeux
Golovkin


My top 4 p4p right now....What???

golovkin would f#cking annihilate carl froch.