What is supposed to be good about Porter?

[Doctor_Tenma]

I had Ward beating Bika 117-111, it was competitive throughout and he did somewhat struggle, still Ward fought an intelligent fight. No different from Mayweather against Maidana, it's like I said pertaining to those two fights, it's best to keep an awkward fighter close to you. Too much motioning whilst not being adapt to weird arching punches can get you seriously hurt, especially if the fighter can punch.

[New England]

Rodriguez is terrible though.

Nothing to do with Ward beating Froch I rooted for Ward heavily. Ward used to be one of my favourite fighters until he decided to do nothing for 3 years.

When he actually fights clearly he's one of the best but I can have a guy in my P4P list when they aren't doing anything. Doesn't make sense to me.

this always gets me. you don't like ward because he decided to be inactive? i think that part of it comes from teh fact that the coverage in europe doesn't go as deep for american fighters, and vice versa. andre ward did not decide to be inactive. the only thing he's guilty of is signing a bad contract and trying to get out of it. that was a dumb move. the rest of his layoffs are not something he wanted.


kelly pavlik lost his mind, and pulled out of a rescheduled fight with ward. this was after ward pulled out of the pavlik fight with a shoulder tear.

ward broke two major bones in his hand against froch. they didn't show up in an X ray, but an MRI revealed several fractures in two separate knuckles.

he finally had a shoulder repaired surgically in january of '13.

[jas]

Which welters does porter lose to NE?

[New England]

I had Ward beating Bika 117-111, it was competitive throughout and he did somewhat struggle, still Ward fought an intelligent fight. No different from Mayweather against Maidana, it's like I said pertaining to those two fights, it's best to keep an awkward fighter close to you. Too much motioning whilst not being adapt to weird arching punches can get you seriously hurt, especially if the fighter can punch.

bika is a a strong and rugged guy, but he landed very few clean shots on ward. shots with a free hand do score, and they have an effect, but we need to take their overall effect into consideration. most of bika's shot were blocked, and the ones that were not were generally of the "free hand" variety, and were arm punches.


maindana put much more clean leather on mayweather. there's no comparing those two fights. floyd came from behind to get a close decision when chino started to gas. floyd looked old and vulnerable for a once great fighter, and his team was clearly quite alarmed before the decision was read.

[IronDanHamza]

bika is a a strong and rugged guy, but he landed very few clean shots on ward. shots with a free hand do score, and they have an effect, but we need to take their overall effect into consideration. most of bika's shot were blocked, and the ones that were not were generally of the "free hand" variety, and were arm punches.


maindana put much more clean leather on mayweather. there's no comparing those two fights. floyd came from behind to get a close decision when chino started to gas. floyd looked old and vulnerable for a once great fighter, and his team was clearly quite alarmed before the decision was read.

Ward on starting comfortably beating Bika when Bika gassed and I had him coming from behind to win aswell.

He struggled in the fight, simple as that.

Maidana didn't land all that much cleanly either. Both Mayweather and Ward were ****** up after the fight.

[New England]

Which welters does porter lose to NE?

he and pacquiao have sparred a good deal. i'm sure manny got the better of him, as it was so long ago. manny may still have the legs and angles to give porter issues and win a UD. he's a great, after all, even if he's fading. i still see the size giving him issues, though. porter is bigger and harder punching than margarito, even if they don't fight at all alike.


thurman is still a bit of an unknown. his style and boxing skills are superior to porter's. he's big, too, just not porter big. i'd pick him to beat porter as things stand. i'm a sucker for a guy who can move as well as he can punch.


bradley's an odd case himself. his legs have been getting injured, and he's ended up in firefights. he'd lose a firefight with porter.

at his best, i think he could outbox porter, who is still a bit green in that regard.


i think porter beats the rest.

[New England]

Ward on starting comfortably beating Bika when Bika gassed and I had him coming from behind to win aswell.

He struggled in the fight, simple as that.

Maidana didn't land all that much cleanly either. Both Mayweather and Ward were ****** up after the fight.

he struggled markedly less than mayweather did against maidana. if you deny that you are biased.

[jas]

i have mayweather at three after rigondeaux and ward.

some people think ward should be removed for inactivity. if he's gone a year without fighting i'll remove him. he's got the resume and the ability of a top pound for pound boxer.

guillermo rigondeaux is perhaps the most dominant fighter in boxing, and his win over donaire was recent enough to have gotten him high on my list.

mayweather is #3 in part because nobody has knocked him off of of the list. he looked very old against maidana. he's 37 years old. he lost several rounds to a very basic fighter. prior to the maidana fight i still had him at #1, where he'd been for years. he looked fine against canelo.


could the maidana fight be a fluke?
sure. maybe floyd looks himself in his next fight.

could porter be on the gas, and could his power be a bit of a mirage? it's possible. was paulie's chin done? also possible.


i don't think porter's power is an illusion. he's huge at welterweight. he's a strong, strong man. he's not the traditional sort of puncher who gets leverage and has great timing. porter's just a strong dude.

he's not going to take a clinch for an answer, and floyd doesn't have the legs to use the ring. i think it's a bad style. maidana proved that. floyd can be put on the ropes now that he's in his late 30's. porter's bigger and stronger than maidana, throws straighter punches with better handspeed.


i can't see anybody would be so confident in mayweather after watching the maidana fight. they wouldn't sit down and compare resume in the ring. they'd fight.

he and pacquiao have sparred a good deal. i'm sure manny got the better of him, as it was so long ago. manny may still have the legs and angles to give porter issues and win a UD. he's a great, after all, even if he's fading. i still see the size giving him issues, though. porter is bigger and harder punching than margarito, even if they don't fight at all alike.


thurman is still a bit of an unknown. his style and boxing skills are superior to porter's. he's big, too, just not porter big. i'd pick him to beat porter as things stand. i'm a sucker for a guy who can move as well as he can punch.


bradley's an odd case himself. his legs have been getting injured, and he's ended up in firefights. he'd lose a firefight with porter.

at his best, i think he could outbox porter, who is still a bit green in that regard.


i think porter beats the rest.

You should have porter top 10 then and pacquaio up there too

[New England]

You should have porter top 10 then and pacquaio up there too

why?

he looked good against paulie, but he didn't look that good. it's also paulie, who never had power to begin with, and will probably never fight again.

it is a p4p list. i don't think you guys understand just how subjective it is to rank 10 fighter based on an abstraction [that size does not matter.] the first few fighters can be easy enough, but the tenth? that gets awfully muddled.

i rank fighters based on ability and resume when i rank p4p, with a strong emphasis on ability. i rank fighters on resume and ability when i rank them historically, with the strong emphasis on resume.


for the record, i'd probably have manny as my fifth ranked fighter, after wladimir.


the only cut and dry spots on my p4p list are for the planet's two best fighters, rigondeaux and ward. they're a step above the rest.

[Doctor_Tenma]

bika is a a strong and rugged guy, but he landed very few clean shots on ward. shots with a free hand do score, and they have an effect, but we need to take their overall effect into consideration. most of bika's shot were blocked, and the ones that were not were generally of the "free hand" variety, and were arm punches.


maindana put much more clean leather on mayweather. there's no comparing those two fights. floyd came from behind to get a close decision when chino started to gas. floyd looked old and vulnerable for a once great fighter, and his team was clearly quite alarmed before the decision was read.

Just the approach is what I'm comparing, Maidana himself didn't land much of anything either, his best work was to the body, that work was too far in between after round 5 and Mayweather still bested him in that department. I sometimes think this rematch has Mayweather laughing.