Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[juggernaut666]

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[Weltschmerz]

Ease a travellin man
With two rocks fer ese hands

Born and bred to scrap
Fury's gonna put em travellors on the map

Goodbye Vlad your last real fight was Sam
Ever since then we seen tomatoe cans

yer brother can't save ya now
When Fury goes ka pow ka pow

might as well hand the belt to the gypsy
cause when he gets through wid you its though a bag you will pee.

ya never fought a travellin man
With roots that stretch to the gypsies of kazistan

ese born and bred to punch ya in the nose
and make you drink your borscht through a hose

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[1hourRun]

Tyson Fury On Training Camp For Klitschko


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[PainfromUkraine]

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Am I the only one seeing Fury looking terrible here? He's still fat and out of shape (you can see the rolls of fat around his midsection even under his training top) which contradicts what he is saying in interviews that he is already in great shape...and that was some VERY basic padwork for someone of Fury's supposed multi-talents and skills. No real power or speed being shown...and he seems tired after a light 2 minute round.

I hope for Fury's sake he isn't showing the best of himself here, or he will get a lot stronger as camp goes on.

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

This fight is starting to genuinely confuse me.

I think that Klitschko has it now...

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

I also believe that Fury best chance to win by knockout is NOT to fight as a southpaw for most of the fight. The reason being is that he hasn't shown ability to fight on the front foot in doing so. Switchin to southpaw would be more useful to open up Klitschko's defence and nullify Klitschko's jab.

Fury has to fight slick and throw that (very) long flicking/slapping/whipping jab from the centre of the ring, move in circles and laucnh sporadic assaults. Klitschko can't handle straight punches and would need more time to adjust. This could let Fury lead on the scorecards for the first 4 rounds.

Klitschko's challenge will be to force Fury going backwards when he wants to fight front-footed and bring more variety. Throwing bodyshots can be very effective to avoid Fury's "stylistics advantage" when fighting southpaw : the body doesn't get accustomed to any angles, and Fury would be exposing his liver when fighting southpaw.

To sum it up very quickly : the scenario of the fight relies more on what Fury decides to imply. If he fights mostly southpaw he will have to deconstruct Klitschko first and tire him with body shots before getting to him. Fighting orthodow would be more risky but more rewarding. Klitschko, on the other hand, MUST adjust to Fury and visualize every opening he could get depending on what Fury does.

This is why this fight is dangerous for Klitschko : he physically and technically cannot dictate the pace and the scenario of this fight.

And yeah : Klitschko's left hook against Fury fighting as a southpaw and giving him angles is a non-factor... if Fury fights southpaw AND gives angles, Klitschko will have to find an opening with his right hand solely.

[LacedUp]

Just because you say he is a better fighter, it doesn't mean he actually is.

History is filled with guys who looked like a million bucks against Hammers and Abels of the world, but failed to deliever when they faced someone above average.

Fury has faced two above average fighters so far in Chisora and Cunningham. In the first fight Chisora showed up in the worst shape of his life, in the second, he'd been shot for 2 years (Haye KO.)

Yes denium, I know I picked Chisora to beat him.

We all know what happened against Cunningham, he was hurt more than once (despite what most of his fans says), showed zero to none ring IQ, used illegal tactics (he hold USS with his elbow before he dropped him with the right hand, if I remember correctly.)

Pajkic dropped him with the same right overhand as Cunningham did.

He fought guys he was suppoused to beat with ease, and against some of them (Cunningham) he didn't even manage to do that.

Pulev has a jab, decent right hand, good stamina, and good ring IQ. Don't let the Wlad fight fool you, he took the risk, and paid for it but he's a smart fighter.

Same thing with Jennings, he's good at everything, but not great. He's a HW version of Tim Bradley.

Both have beaten better opponents than Fury, which says a lot about Fury's resume.

When Fury draws with Perez or stinks the joint out vs a 40+ year old TT, let me know, I might start considering him a top 5 HW and I might start seeing the skills his fans talk about so proudly.

Until he does though, he's still a hype job. Charismatic and funny, but a hype job nonetheless.

at the bolded.

How many above average fighters has Pulev and or Jennigs fought and looked good against? ZERO. Let me remind you that Jennigs drew and looked bad against prize fighter Perez.

Pulev was dropped by the same Abel btw.

But I don't care who they've fought anyway, they all haven't fought anyone. Before Klitschko of course - that's anything special.

Anthony Joshua also hasn't fought anyone, but I don't need more than two eyes in my head to say he's better than Bryant Jennings or Poolev.

Same with Fury.

Pulev doesn't have anything above below average. What does he do good? Nothing. He has a jab with little meat on it, no snap in his right hand. Zero footwork or head movement. Stamina? He doesn't look like one who has good stamina - but when has his stamina been tested? Can he throw 70+ punches a round for 12 rounds like Fury? Nope. He's probably a tough guy. But that's about it.

Same with Jennings really. Ok basics, nothing special AT ALL. Also tough probably. skills are not worth talking about.

[billeau2]

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I was in a silly mood and listening to John Fury's accent got me on a roll.

[billeau2]

Am I the only one seeing Fury looking terrible here? He's still fat and out of shape (you can see the rolls of fat around his midsection even under his training top) which contradicts what he is saying in interviews that he is already in great shape...and that was some VERY basic padwork for someone of Fury's supposed multi-talents and skills. No real power or speed being shown...and he seems tired after a light 2 minute round.

I hope for Fury's sake he isn't showing the best of himself here, or he will get a lot stronger as camp goes on.

Hes working selectively. Part of what I see him trying to do is tighten up, not telegraph on his combos. The way they are doing that drill appears to be to get Fury to pull the switch with no preparation, thats why Fury made some errors.

There was a really good Judo player and he was asked about conditioning with respect to "inner tubes" around the waist, etc. His point was about somethng he called "hard fat." Guys who were very strong, could keep ticking, but were more lumpy than muscle bound. If you watch old movies, there are plenty of guys with this build playing things like the heavy, detetives, etc....Thor of Ed wood fame is a great example. These guys are very strong, they also have fat, but they don't jiggle and it does not slow them down.

I think Fury is in shape but he has a certain physique which will always carry extra weight unless he uses steriods.

[madfrank]

This is Tyson Furys biggest test to date and I think he will get found out for what he is. Klitschko is too clever for him and wont be drawn into a full on fight. He will let Fury tire himself out and either finish him in the 8th or win on points. There will a lot of clinches in this one.