Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[billeau2]

Fury isn't a high caliber fighter. Chris Byrd, Ibragimov, Chambers, Povetkin, Haye, Pulev are for instance. He has fought and beat tough guys too, Chagaev, Botha, Wach, Sam Peter, etc... Fury just isn't among his top opposition.

But as I said, the timing with Fury is good, and I agree where you are going that Fury is ready in the sense that he probably wont be more ready than he is now, before Vlad retires anyway.

The thing with Vlad never having faced something like Fury is far fetched, he has faced lots of big guys, southpaw boxers too. Again, experience...

Yes agreed, Vlad has faced guys with similar profiles as Fury, i.e. Fury is not an unknown quantity to him. Fury has started to fight guys with a higher profile...The kingpin, Chisora, and Cunningham, this is important because the difference between a john Mcdermott and Cunningham (for example) is huge. It means that Fury has started to toe the line regarding competition like Peter, chambers, etc. But yes while he has fought comp on this level, it has not been consistant...yet.

[Boxing Goat]

Wlad got destroyed by a shot version of Sanders. It wasn't a shot Wlad.
If you think another version of Wlad from another year does better , then I put forward a younger , faster and better Sanders.
If old , shot Sanders pasted him in two - prime Sanders does it in ONE.

Lol @ shot Sanders. You're a complete idiot. Seriously.

[KnockoutNed]

We've seen Fury's chin. Am I the only one who recalls how horrendous it is?

Many said the same thing before he fought Williamson, Haye and Jennings. In the fights Wlad couldn't come close to stopping or seriously hurting any of them. Instead he was the one hurt and holding on for dear life. Why couldn't he blow them away like everybody expected him too? It's in part due to his power being overrated but its also the movement of the opponents. If a fighter has half decent movement it forces Wlad to constantly readjust and not get his feet set to land his one dimensional arsenal of power shots. Wlad's boxing construct works best when he's up against defenseless bums who stand right in front of him. The basic lateral movement coming from a recreational part time fighter in Jennings reduced Wlad to mostly throwing throw those weak 'knock at the door' jabs. Fury has the movement to disrupt him and he's more well rounded than Wlads other opponents.

[Redd Foxx]

Is it horrendous? He's never been KTFO, or even hurt in a fight to my knowledge, yeah he's been knocked down a couple of times, but he got straight back up and went to work. A horrendous chin would be someone like David Price, who seemingly can't recover from big shots & loses his legs.

I don't know where this supposed lack of talent comes from either. Fury has gone to where he is right now on pure talent alone. He's previously come into fights grossly out of shape, has admitted drinking and partying before fights and yet has still found a way to win. How anyone can watch his performances against Chisora II and Hammer, and then claim that he has no talent is beyond me.

Now you're being delusional... "He's never been hurt but he's been knocked down", do you realizewhat you said there? Fury has been wobbled by bums. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy. Let's not do the typical thing though and start making him superman just because we like him. He's a very, very flawed, but fun fighter to watch. Tyson came to popularity because he nearly lost every fight and found a way to come back and win. I do think he's improving on a technical level but beating a faded Chisora does not put him on the same level as a 10 year world champ.

[KnockoutNed]

Lol @ shot Sanders. You're a complete idiot. Seriously.

This is coming from the guy who thinks Wlad and Vitali have the best resumes in HW history.

And yes the Sanders that beat Wlad like he was nothing more than a rank amateur was a fat, old semi retired wasted version of himself who in his prime , in a better era, was never anything more than a mid tier journeyman. Again the better Klitschko had to be drafted in to deal with another journeyman Wlad wasn't good enough to beat.

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Now you're being delusional... "He's never been hurt but he's been knocked down", do you realizewhat you said there? Fury has been wobbled by bums. Don't get me wrong, I like the guy. Let's not do the typical thing though and start making him superman just because we like him. He's a very, very flawed, but fun fighter to watch. Tyson came to popularity because he nearly lost every fight and found a way to come back and win. I do think he's improving on a technical level but beating a faded Chisora does not put him on the same level as a 10 year world champ.

Just because a man is knocked off his feet, does not mean they're hurt, or don't have full control of their senses, surely you know that?

Give me examples of him being hurt or wobbled. Chisora I maybe? Why was Chisora faded? He was on the best streak of his career. Fury put a clinic on him, that's all.

Nearly lost every fight?

[KnockoutNed]

ALL we need is a ref in GERMANY that will not be like Sven Ottke's ref? is that what you are saying? Well according to that logic Ned, all I need is a five foot 8 120 pound brunette with more curves than the indy 500, no vocal cords, a big mouth, a flat head that fits a beer, and a sister that loves threesomes! And I know I am not asking for much, but how about a couple of mil, not a bil or anything, and a small modest 3 bedroom apartment on fifth avenue 2000-3000 squ ft is fine...I don't need one of those townhouses or anything...

Yeah it's a little much to expect impartiality when a guy has a referee , an entire doping agency and an athletic commission in his back pocket. It will be interesting to see if Fury can deal with the underhanded tactics in the ring. I'm inclined to think he can.

[Machinist_X]

pretty simple, just imagine him on the floor.

oh you don't need to, hes been their plenty against terrible opposition.

funny you having that big headed attitude considering you are a clear fan of carl froch by your sig #irony

[Burt Saxby]

Fury isn't a high caliber fighter. Chris Byrd, Ibragimov, Chambers, Povetkin, Haye, Pulev are for instance. He has fought and beat tough guys too, Chagaev, Botha, Wach, Sam Peter, etc... Fury just isn't among his top opposition.

But as I said, the timing with Fury is good, and I agree where you are going that Fury is ready in the sense that he probably wont be more ready than he is now, before Vlad retires anyway.

The thing with Vlad never having faced something like Fury is far fetched, he has faced lots of big guys, southpaw boxers too. Again, experience...

Lol @ Chambers being a higher calibre fighter than Fury. And Haye who ran from Fury.

Chambers stated many times that Fury is the second best fighter in the division. Not one of those guys you listed would beat Fury.
Chambers spent a lot of time in the Fury camp and he knows exactly what Fury is capable of.

You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

[billeau2]

Yeah it's a little much to expect impartiality when a guy has a referee , an entire doping agency and an athletic commission in his back pocket. It will be interesting to see if Fury can deal with the underhanded tactics in the ring. I'm inclined to think he can.

Both Klit brothers seem to cause a type of blindness in their fans. I can certainly understand that they are good guys (they are), they speak well...and Vlad even has a bit of cheek in him at times...yet both brothers have always been part of this modern boxing power structure where by fighters fight based exclusively on what is convenient, expedient and in their best interest financially. Their management team is all about success at the gate and not necessarily being the best out there taking on all commers.

I don't think Vlad would do this fight if he didn't have to...thats an opinion.

Lewis was really different. People have different opinions about his competition but it always seemed like he would fight the guys coming up. He really seemed driven by being the best heavyweight on the planet, not convenience...even his fight with Vitalie was pure folly to take.

It would be very interesting to see if this match becomes similar to the Vitali and Lewis clash....Will Vitalie hang in there if he is getting smashed? That would be a very interesting scenerio.