Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[Szef]

Just because a man is knocked off his feet, does not mean they're hurt, or don't have full control of their senses, surely you know that?

Give me examples of him being hurt or wobbled. Chisora I maybe? Why was Chisora faded? He was on the best streak of his career. Fury put a clinic on him, that's all.

Nearly lost every fight?

He was clearly hurt in the second round against Cunningham.

And I'm not talking about the KD, Cunningham hurt Fury couple of times after that KD.

[Redd Foxx]

Just because a man is knocked off his feet, does not mean they're hurt, or don't have full control of their senses, surely you know that?

Give me examples of him being hurt or wobbled. Chisora I maybe? Why was Chisora faded? He was on the best streak of his career. Fury put a clinic on him, that's all.

Nearly lost every fight?

You're just not dealing in reality at this point. I don't think you've watched many fury fights either. Even the Brit commentators would say that he's exciting because he runs into danger in every fight.
Now, this idea that getting knocked down doesn't affect your senses... I simply don't know what to say to someone who thinks that. It's clear that, not only have you never spared, but it's doubtful you've ever played ANY sport if you think that's the case. What do you think causes a person to fall??? Do you imagine the punch is like a push or something? It's inexplicable that you don't understand this...

[Boxing Goat]

This is coming from the guy who thinks Wlad and Vitali have the best resumes in HW history.

And yes the Sanders that beat Wlad like he was nothing more than a rank amateur was a fat, old semi retired wasted version of himself who in his prime , in a better era, was never anything more than a mid tier journeyman. Again the better Klitschko had to be drafted in to deal with another journeyman Wlad wasn't good enough to beat.

If you can find and quote where I ever said anything close to that I will literally close my account and never come back on here again....go for it you knucklehead. We'll all be waiting.

[Elroy1]

Lol @ Chambers being a higher calibre fighter than Fury. And Haye who ran from Fury.

Chambers stated many times that Fury is the second best fighter in the division. Not one of those guys you listed would beat Fury.
Chambers spent a lot of time in the Fury camp and he knows exactly what Fury is capable of.

You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

Most of those boxers on Weltsch's list there are proven boxers against a much higher level of opposition than Fury.

In particular you pointed out Eddie Chambers- who has a better record against better opponents than Fury, not by a little, but by FAR! And David Haye who is like a Chambers but with a cracking knockout punch and more length too.

Fury used to be considered a joke compared with all of these guys and now your trying to promote this new flavour of the month as if he is better than all before.

And you base this on his body parameters, which although good, he is not as strong, or as sharp, or as athletic or as powerful as Wladimir and can't use his range nearly as well.

And you also base it on his wins against 2 opponents..

(a) A very small, powerless former cruiser in Cunningham who gave him problems, and,

(b) Gate Keeper Dereck Chisora.

I am absolutely stunned!!

Tony Thompson was a far better opponent than Tyson Fury until proven otherwise!

Until then your opinion deserves to be placed where it belongs...

Straight in the trashcan from which you crawled out from you worm!

[Elroy1]

Both Klit brothers seem to cause a type of blindness in their fans. I can certainly understand that they are good guys (they are), they speak well...and Vlad even has a bit of cheek in him at times...yet both brothers have always been part of this modern boxing power structure where by fighters fight based exclusively on what is convenient, expedient and in their best interest financially. Their management team is all about success at the gate and not necessarily being the best out there taking on all commers.

I don't think Vlad would do this fight if he didn't have to...thats an opinion.

Lewis was really different. People have different opinions about his competition but it always seemed like he would fight the guys coming up. He really seemed driven by being the best heavyweight on the planet, not convenience...even his fight with Vitalie was pure folly to take.

It would be very interesting to see if this match becomes similar to the Vitali and Lewis clash....Will Vitalie hang in there if he is getting smashed? That would be a very interesting scenerio.

What?

How are you even allowed to post here anymore?

Wladimir has never once ducked any fight, has fought all of his mandatories having been a champ for well over a decade and always seeked to fight the best contenders, never taking more than one stay busy in between aand even when he DOES take one it is usually a fighter on the order of 240lbs with a hard chin and punch and with a good record.

Lenno LEwis ALSO seeked to fight the best but in fact it was HE who at times "side-stepped" opponents like Byrd for example. OF course that notion is easily countered but with Wladimir there is no "legitimate" reason to believe Wladmir EVER ducked anybody!

Again, your flat out bias betrays your agenda.

Wladimir and most of his opponents would flatten nearly every single one of your ATG favourites right throughout history in the early rounds, everybody knows it and you simply can't handle it.

If you can't handle it, F-OFF back to the bloody History section where you belong

You have nothing current, nothing relevant to contribute to any boxing discussion post 1985 I am afraid.

[LacedUp]

Most of those boxers on Weltsch's list there are proven boxers against a much higher level of opposition than Fury.

In particular you pointed out Eddie Chambers- who has a better record against better opponents than Fury, not by a little, but by FAR! And David Haye who is like a Chambers but with a cracking knockout punch and more length too.

Fury used to be considered a joke compared with all of these guys and now your trying to promote this new flavour of the month as if he is better than all before.

And you base this on his body parameters, which although good, he is not as strong, or as sharp, or as athletic or as powerful as Wladimir and can't use his range nearly as well.

And you also base it on his wins against 2 opponents..

(a) A very small, powerless former cruiser in Cunningham who gave him problems, and,

(b) Gate Keeper Dereck Chisora.

I am absolutely stunned!!

Tony Thompson was a far better opponent than Tyson Fury until proven otherwise!

Until then your opinion deserves to be placed where it belongs...

Straight in the trashcan from which you crawled out from you worm!

Tony Thompson and Eddie Chambers ARE NOT better than Fury.

I don't see many of Wlad's resume that has beaten the likes of Derek Chisora twice, Kevin Johnson when he was still relatively OK, Steve Cunningham etc.

Eddie Chambers had probably one the best record of any guy who Wlad fought imo alongside Chris Byrd & Povetkin. But he is clearly also not the best fighter Wlad has fought.

[LacedUp]

What?

How are you even allowed to post here anymore?

Wladimir has never once ducked any fight, has fought all of his mandatories having been a champ for well over a decade and always seeked to fight the best contenders, never taking more than one stay busy in between aand even when he DOES take one it is usually a fighter on the order of 240lbs with a hard chin and punch and with a good record.

Lenno LEwis ALSO seeked to fight the best but in fact it was HE who at times "side-stepped" opponents like Byrd for example. OF course that notion is easily countered but with Wladimir there is no "legitimate" reason to believe Wladmir EVER ducked anybody!

Again, your flat out bias betrays your agenda.

Wladimir and most of his opponents would flatten nearly every single one of your ATG favourites right throughout history in the early rounds, everybody knows it and you simply can't handle it.

If you can't handle it, F-OFF back to the bloody History section where you belong

You have nothing current, nothing relevant to contribute to any boxing discussion post 1985 I am afraid.

There's plenty of evidence to suggest Wladimir ducked Corrie Sanders.

[Suckmedry]

most interested I've been for a HW fight in a long long time..

I feel like Wlad will have his hands full with such a big mobile guy but he is such an expert at breaking guys down with the jab..and fury being so hittable I'm feeling like Fury will lose

[Weltschmerz]

Both Klit brothers seem to cause a type of blindness in their fans. I can certainly understand that they are good guys (they are), they speak well...and Vlad even has a bit of cheek in him at times...yet both brothers have always been part of this modern boxing power structure where by fighters fight based exclusively on what is convenient, expedient and in their best interest financially. Their management team is all about success at the gate and not necessarily being the best out there taking on all commers.

I don't think Vlad would do this fight if he didn't have to...thats an opinion.

Lewis was really different. People have different opinions about his competition but it always seemed like he would fight the guys coming up. He really seemed driven by being the best heavyweight on the planet, not convenience...even his fight with Vitalie was pure folly to take.

It would be very interesting to see if this match becomes similar to the Vitali and Lewis clash....Will Vitalie hang in there if he is getting smashed? That would be a very interesting scenerio.

Well, this is how the game operates today and works in no way particularly for the Bros. It goes for all (especially) top fighters, and not just in boxing. It's business (prize fighting) after all.

And Vlad has and does take on all comers - he never ducked anybody in his whole career, this is just a fact. I don't see Lewis being better in any way when it comes to fighting young, prime fighters with no or few defeats.

Vlad has said many times that it's the motivation to continue being champ, and his health which keeps him going. He could have retired years ago a very wealthy and successful man, he doesn't need to take risky fights any more. Fury is a risky fight, as is Wilder.

[Weltschmerz]

Lol @ Chambers being a higher calibre fighter than Fury. And Haye who ran from Fury.

Chambers stated many times that Fury is the second best fighter in the division. Not one of those guys you listed would beat Fury.
Chambers spent a lot of time in the Fury camp and he knows exactly what Fury is capable of.

You really don't have a clue what you're talking about.

I see. Their level of opposition suggests otherwise. Chambers is obviously more experienced and crafty than Fury, and has a better resume. He had close fights with elite opponents like Povetkin and Adamek, and has beaten better names than Fury, who's best win was bullying/elbowing Cunningham into submission, basically. Lol.