Video Breakdown: Alvarez vs Lara

[Aztekkas]

I think Alvarez' shots are harder than Perros and I will tell you why. If I was fighting Angulo or Canelo, I would much rather get hit by Angulo because you can see his shots coming. Where as Canelo's speed is so much more that he hits you with shots you don't see and those are the one's that will KO you.

I agree that Canelo will have to take risks to win this fight, but not in the way Angulo did. There is pressure, and then there's intelligent pressure. Margarito, Angulo and Gatti were examples of just pressure.

Chavez Sr, GGG, and Duran are examples of intelligent pressure. Come in with the head moving, with angles and keeping the boxer off rhythm and balance with that type of pressure.

For me the question is, can Canelo give this type of pressure? Because I agree, if he boxes Lara, he's playing into Lara's game plan and fighting his fight.

I agree with everything said. You can probably go and get a coffee and read half the newspaper while waiting for Perro's punch to reach you.

Or maybe he just isn't capable of doing what you guys want him to do.

I think he is, when he was fighting weaker opposition Canelo was attempting to define his style by utilising different tricks in every fight. That alone shows he has a lot of knowledge of what boxing really is. He lost the Floyd fight because he had never faced such a fast and slick counterpuncher before. Canelo was always the most technically sound or faster of the two with most of his previous competitors. That and his inexperience put him in a frustrating position that he easily succumbed to. Like Cuau said, if Canelo learn to pressure properly he won't be a slow plodder like Angulo. He would be in the likes of GGG in the sense that he has decent head/upper body movement and throws fast flurries.

Canelo surprised many people in Trout and Angulo fight, maybe he gonna surprise us at july 12. I think he will stalk Lara with earmuffs defence and work on the inside, yes its not typical for Canelo but i expect him to choose right strategy for this fight.

I think so too. If he does we know and as Dougie stated, Lara tends to stop for a second and is susceptible to taking hits when a fighter cuts the distance and lands on the inside. Sure Canelo will take damage but if he is able to work Lara's body early, one of Lara's most important weapons will be gone… his legs. Again, until the fight actually goes down.. these are all theories and opinions lol.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

I agree with everything said. You can probably go and get a coffee and read half the newspaper while waiting for Perro's punch to reach you.



I think he is, when he was fighting weaker opposition Canelo was attempting to define his style by utilising different tricks in every fight. That alone shows he has a lot of knowledge of what boxing really is. He lost the Floyd fight because he had never faced such a fast and slick counterpuncher before. Canelo was always the most technically sound or faster of the two with most of his previous competitors. That and his inexperience put him in a frustrating position that he easily succumbed to. Like Cuau said, if Canelo learn to pressure properly he won't be a slow plodder like Angulo. He would be in the likes of GGG in the sense that he has decent head/upper body movement and throws fast flurries.



I think so too. If he does we know and as Dougie stated, Lara tends to stop for a second and is susceptible to taking hits when a fighter cuts the distance and lands on the inside. Sure Canelo will take damage but if he is able to work Lara's body early, one of Lara's most important weapons will be gone… his legs. Again, until the fight actually goes down.. these are all theories and opinions lol.

Ill give you the same argument I made in the other thread. You don't think he didnt come out doing what you guys wanted him to do maybe cause he and his team are self conscious of his stamina problem? And if he came out pressuring do you think his stamina wouldve held up?

Maybe he IS able to pressure but his stamina does not allow him to. He gasses from throwing 500-600 punches a fight. What would happen if you threw pressuring on top of that?

[Beercules]

Good video, even though Lara doesn't have the best jab I think it will give Canelo problems.

What I really want to see from Lara is some versatility inside because that is most likely a big part of Canelos plan.

[Aztekkas]

Ill give you the same argument I made in the other thread. You don't think he didnt come out doing what you guys wanted him to do maybe cause he and his team are self conscious of his stamina problem? And if he came out pressuring do you think his stamina wouldve held up?

Maybe he IS able to pressure but his stamina does not allow him to. He gasses from throwing 500-600 punches a fight. What would happen if you threw pressuring on top of that?

His stamina is a problem I'm sure him and his team are at least acknowledging and hopefully attempting to correct but you don't need 1000 punches a fight to necessarily be effective. He can maintain his subpar output as long as he applies intelligent pressure by cutting off the ring, using his body size and making every punch count more often. I think Cuau gave a fair analysis on pressure fighters and the variations of said style.

Now, I don't think Canelo had pressure in mind versus Floyd in his game plan at any point. Why do I say that? Because at no point in the fight did Canelo show traces of applying such style, if it was his game plan to grind Floyd down with pressure he would have attempted to use it at least one or 2 rounds and he didn't. He was thoroughly outboxed over 12 rounds because he stepped in the ring believing he was on equal grounds with Floyd, which is ******ed. If he would have came out trying to walk Floyd down but was gassed by the 5th or 6th round than reverted to boxing I would agree he isn't capable of pulling off such a style, but he didn't. He maintained the same strategy and was ultimately outmatched.

I know Canelo must have learned at least something from the school of Floyd because Saul is aware of what he has to do against Lara. That's why I'm confident he will at least attempt to pressure Lara. Against Floyd he never said he was going to walk him down and pressure him, he would simply say he would surprise the world(and he did.. with his ******ity in the match). He learned you can't outbox a boxer if you are not to par and he saw how Lara reacts to adversity and having someone constantly on top of him with offence***8230;so I honestly believe Canelo will at least attempt something different with Lara,and that's his only chance to win.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Ill give you the same argument I made in the other thread. You don't think he didnt come out doing what you guys wanted him to do maybe cause he and his team are self conscious of his stamina problem? And if he came out pressuring do you think his stamina wouldve held up?

Maybe he IS able to pressure but his stamina does not allow him to. He gasses from throwing 500-600 punches a fight. What would happen if you threw pressuring on top of that?

I personally think the stamina issues are exaggerated. He gassed in the Trout fight, but it's not like he was so gassed that he stopped throwing or punching.

He moved more, and picked his shots better. Against Angulo, he threw a lot of shots and didn't looked gassed in the least.

The Lara fight is incredibly hard, there's no doubt about that. The Trout fight was hard and so was the Mayweather fight. Trout and Mayweather are tough styles for Canelo, where as Angulo was a perfect fit.

Angulo caused Lara problems because of his pressure. People act as if Lara is unbeatable, let's remember that Carlos Molina IMO beat him and he did it with pressure, and staying right on him.

Canelo isn't the same fighter, but he isn't the one dimensional fighter people are making him out to be either. He showed a lot in the Trout fight specifically, and I think we will see him pressure more in this fight. Just how effective he will be time will tell.

[-PBP-]

I personally think the stamina issues are exaggerated. He gassed in the Trout fight, but it's not like he was so gassed that he stopped throwing or punching.

I agree with this to a degree. Plus he knew he was ahead by several rounds with the open scoring and that had to affect the way both fighters finished.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

I personally think the stamina issues are exaggerated. He gassed in the Trout fight, but it's not like he was so gassed that he stopped throwing or punching.

He moved more, and picked his shots better. Against Angulo, he threw a lot of shots and didn't looked gassed in the least.

The Lara fight is incredibly hard, there's no doubt about that. The Trout fight was hard and so was the Mayweather fight. Trout and Mayweather are tough styles for Canelo, where as Angulo was a perfect fit.

Angulo caused Lara problems because of his pressure. People act as if Lara is unbeatable, let's remember that Carlos Molina IMO beat him and he did it with pressure, and staying right on him.

Canelo isn't the same fighter, but he isn't the one dimensional fighter people are making him out to be either. He showed a lot in the Trout fight specifically, and I think we will see him pressure more in this fight. Just how effective he will be time will tell.

He has looked gas in almost all his fight. Im not talking gassed like a fish out of water gasping but its very noticeable that he gasses and fades.

He was fading in the Angulo fight. Its the reason why Angulo had just had his best round of the fight. A round which he actually. You wonder why? Canelo in the Angulo fight threw 500 punches. What do you mean by a lot? Same amount Lara threw vs Angulo. And both fights went into the 10th. Canelo didnt take any type of punishment and was still starting fade. Lara took massive damage and still threw the same amount of punches as Canelo.

The stamina is not exaggerated. Its a problem and a very valid one.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

His stamina is a problem I'm sure him and his team are at least acknowledging and hopefully attempting to correct but you don't need 1000 punches a fight to necessarily be effective. He can maintain his subpar output as long as he applies intelligent pressure by cutting off the ring, using his body size and making every punch count more often. I think Cuau gave a fair analysis on pressure fighters and the variations of said style.

Now, I don't think Canelo had pressure in mind versus Floyd in his game plan at any point. Why do I say that? Because at no point in the fight did Canelo show traces of applying such style, if it was his game plan to grind Floyd down with pressure he would have attempted to use it at least one or 2 rounds and he didn't. He was thoroughly outboxed over 12 rounds because he stepped in the ring believing he was on equal grounds with Floyd, which is ******ed. If he would have came out trying to walk Floyd down but was gassed by the 5th or 6th round than reverted to boxing I would agree he isn't capable of pulling off such a style, but he didn't. He maintained the same strategy and was ultimately outmatched.

I know Canelo must have learned at least something from the school of Floyd because Saul is aware of what he has to do against Lara. That's why I'm confident he will at least attempt to pressure Lara. Against Floyd he never said he was going to walk him down and pressure him, he would simply say he would surprise the world(and he did.. with his ******ity in the match). He learned you can't outbox a boxer if you are not to par and he saw how Lara reacts to adversity and having someone constantly on top of him with offence***8230;so I honestly believe Canelo will at least attempt something different with Lara,and that's his only chance to win.

Do you think his stamina is something they can fix? Hes so young and having stamina issues... maybe if they move up in weight?

You dont think he tried it towards the end? I thought towards the end he tried to apply pressure on Floyd. The fight looked a bit more competitive than the rounds prior to that. Just cause Floyd made it look easy doesn't mean Canelo didnt try to do it.

It wasnt the best of pressures but I thought he tried in those final rounds. At least it looked to me like he was trying to come forward more instead of sitting there trying to counter.

[CubanGuyNYC]

I think Alvarez' shots are harder than Perros and I will tell you why. If I was fighting Angulo or Canelo, I would much rather get hit by Angulo because you can see his shots coming. Where as Canelo's speed is so much more that he hits you with shots you don't see and those are the one's that will KO you.

Good point. It seems to me that, if measured, Angulo's power is higher than Canelo's; but Saul will catch you with shots you don't see coming. Much more dangerous.

I agree that Canelo will have to take risks to win this fight, but not in the way Angulo did. There is pressure, and then there's intelligent pressure. Margarito, Angulo and Gatti were examples of just pressure.

Chavez Sr, GGG, and Duran are examples of intelligent pressure. Come in with the head moving, with angles and keeping the boxer off rhythm and balance with that type of pressure.

For me the question is, can Canelo give this type of pressure? Because I agree, if he boxes Lara, he's playing into Lara's game plan and fighting his fight.

If Alvarez can bring intelligent pressure, there's a good chance he'll win. We agree the boxing strategy is ill-fated. One of the things I find really intriguing about this fight is trying to guess what gameplan Canelo and his team might have in store. I think Lara is more predictable.

[Aztekkas]

Do you think his stamina is something they can fix? Hes so young and having stamina issues... maybe if they move up in weight?

You dont think he tried it towards the end? I thought towards the end he tried to apply pressure on Floyd. The fight looked a bit more competitive than the rounds prior to that. Just cause Floyd made it look easy doesn't mean Canelo didnt try to do it.

It wasnt the best of pressures but I thought he tried in those final rounds. At least it looked to me like he was trying to come forward more instead of sitting there trying to counter.

I think it can be fixed. If you see his training videos you will easily notice Canelo's trainers never push him hard enough. He will shadowbox for 30 seconds and you hear "TIEMPOOOOO"(exaggerated to further explain my point) . That alone has created bad habits for Saul but since he has gotten away with it against every other fighter he has faced not name Floyd, he is comfortable with it. I honestly don't think he tried pressuring Floyd, I think he was more or less frustrated, tired and just threw whatever he could attempting to at least land something since he saw he was nowhere near Mayweather's level of boxing. IDK it's a good fight and I'm glad we could finally have an intelligent thread not rampant with racism, ignorance and biased fans. This is how it should be

Oh forgot to add, I agree moving up in weight could solve a lot of his issues. However his dumb ass thinks he could stay at 154 forever i swear I like Canelo but some of his statements make me cringe and bow my head in shame.