Video Breakdown: Alvarez vs Lara

Collapse
Collapse
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • -PBP-
    32 Time World Champion
    Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
    • Jan 2012
    • 24107
    • 836
    • 635
    • 34,297

    #11
    When push comes to shove, everybody agrees that it is Canelo that needs to be the one to adjust to Lara's style and not the other way around.

    Comment

    • Dean_Razorback
      God of Thunder and R n' R
      Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
      • Jan 2013
      • 16559
      • 1,028
      • 396
      • 98,048

      #12
      Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
      Canelo likes to box, or show he can box. He has a stubborn-streak. Alvarez surprised a lot of people by trying to box the master in Floyd, and it took him longer than it should have to give up the ghost. It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Saul tries to box Lara. It's going to be interesting to see how Canelo adapts when he finds he can't play Landy's game.
      watching the fight (with floyd) i couldn't understand why he was trying to box with him, you are not going to beat him like that. lara is no floyd, but he is good (IMO canelos second biggest fight)

      one of the most interesting fights of this year

      Comment

      • CubanGuyNYC
        Latin From Manhattan
        Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
        • Sep 2009
        • 15414
        • 1,678
        • 1,706
        • 112,127

        #13
        Originally posted by northstar
        Lara's an exceptional counter puncher. His opponents have to pay a toll to get to him. Even in the Molina fight, where early on he had difficulty landing his straight left to the head, he was timing Molina coming in with sizzling lefts to the body.

        With Lara having the height, reach, footspeed, and slight handspeed advantage (IMO), given Canelo's style and temperament, it's going to be difficult for him to find Lara.
        Lara punches hard. He doesn't have the kind of power to take out top guys with one shot, but he has plenty to beat you up if he can land enough shots. As you point out, Landy is a very good counter-puncher. If you're trying to get to him, it won't take too many shots to the snot-box to discourage you. Most fighters have to be able to outscore Lara. Either that, or possess the kind of power that can quickly break Landy down. I don't see Canelo as fitting either mold.

        Comment

        • CubanGuyNYC
          Latin From Manhattan
          Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
          • Sep 2009
          • 15414
          • 1,678
          • 1,706
          • 112,127

          #14
          Originally posted by Dean_Razorback
          watching the fight (with floyd) i couldn't understand why he was trying to box with him, you are not going to beat him like that. lara is no floyd, but he is good (IMO canelos second biggest fight)

          one of the most interesting fights of this year
          Canelo is prideful and stubborn (they usually go hand in hand). At first I thought Alvarez's strategy was to surprise Mayweather, but it now seems to me Canelo was convinced he's just as good a boxer as Floyd. He was bitterly forced to concede this is not the case. We all learn from our mistakes (at least, most of us do), so perhaps Saul will try something a little different with Lara.

          Comment

          • northstar
            Contender
            Silver Champion - 100-500 posts
            • Apr 2007
            • 318
            • 12
            • 0
            • 6,391

            #15
            Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
            Lara punches hard. He doesn't have the kind of power to take out top guys with one shot, but he has plenty to beat you up if he can land enough shots. As you point out, Landy is a very good counter-puncher. If you're trying to get to him, it won't take too many shots to the snot-box to discourage you. Most fighters have to be able to outscore Lara. Either that, or possess the kind of power that can quickly break Landy down. I don't see Canelo as fitting either mold.
            I agree. Although Lara doesn't have one punch KO power, he does have very respectable power. What makes things interesting though is that unlike Trout, Lara has that flashy power/speed combination where he'll land a punch that makes the spectator go "holy ****". Hopefully that can work in his favor when it comes to the judges.

            Comment

            • Aztekkas
              Undisputed Champion
              Super Champion - 5,000-10,000 posts
              • Dec 2010
              • 5112
              • 373
              • 377
              • 28,221

              #16
              Originally posted by PBP
              When push comes to shove, everybody agrees that it is Canelo that needs to be the one to adjust to Lara's style and not the other way around.
              Of course, the better boxer will never adjust to the lesser opponent. Why would Lara need to change a thing if he knows Canelo is comfortable boxing, but boxing toe to toe isn't the proper game plan to beat him. Canelo needs to adjust since his technical boxing ability is a notch below Lara.

              Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
              Canelo is prideful and stubborn (they usually go hand in hand). At first I thought Alvarez's strategy was to surprise Mayweather, but it now seems to me Canelo was convinced he's just as good a boxer as Floyd. He was bitterly forced to concede this is not the case. We all learn from our mistakes (at least, most of us do), so perhaps Saul will try something a little different with Lara.
              Yeah it was frustrating to watch. It was a bit disappointing as a Canelo fan because he went about the fight completely wrong. Even though he had the size advantage in the Mayweather fight, he didn't use it. Hell, he fought Floyd as if they were both the same size and height instead of using his strength advantage to bully the smaller man. I really hope he did learn from his mistake, if not we will see a break down of Canelo over 12 rounds and possibly less if Lara deals enough punishment to halt the fight. However if he Saul comes with an aggressive mentality and well conditioned(shaky topic), then this fight will be hands down the best of the year thus far in my opinion.

              Comment

              • Cuauhtémoc1520
                Head Mexican in Charge
                Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                • Mar 2007
                • 20824
                • 1,666
                • 569
                • 35,996

                #17
                Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC
                Everyone has their limit. Alfredo was disfigured by the end of that fight. He soaked up a tremendous amount of punishment in knocking Lara down twice. I don't think Canelo punches any harder than Perro, and I don't think he has the style or inclination to charge into Landy's wheel-house over and over. Alvarez will have to box, and I don't think he's good enough at it to beat Lara at that game.
                I think Alvarez' shots are harder than Perros and I will tell you why. If I was fighting Angulo or Canelo, I would much rather get hit by Angulo because you can see his shots coming. Where as Canelo's speed is so much more that he hits you with shots you don't see and those are the one's that will KO you.

                I agree that Canelo will have to take risks to win this fight, but not in the way Angulo did. There is pressure, and then there's intelligent pressure. Margarito, Angulo and Gatti were examples of just pressure.

                Chavez Sr, GGG, and Duran are examples of intelligent pressure. Come in with the head moving, with angles and keeping the boxer off rhythm and balance with that type of pressure.

                For me the question is, can Canelo give this type of pressure? Because I agree, if he boxes Lara, he's playing into Lara's game plan and fighting his fight.

                Comment

                • .:: JSFD26 ::.
                  Brawski
                  Franchise Champion - 20,000+ posts
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 33329
                  • 725
                  • 432
                  • 44,762

                  #18
                  Originally posted by Aztekkas
                  Of course, the better boxer will never adjust to the lesser opponent. Why would Lara need to change a thing if he knows Canelo is comfortable boxing, but boxing toe to toe isn't the proper game plan to beat him. Canelo needs to adjust since his technical boxing ability is a notch below Lara.



                  Yeah it was frustrating to watch. It was a bit disappointing as a Canelo fan because he went about the fight completely wrong. Even though he had the size advantage in the Mayweather fight, he didn't use it. Hell, he fought Floyd as if they were both the same size and height instead of using his strength advantage to bully the smaller man. I really hope he did learn from his mistake, if not we will see a break down of Canelo over 12 rounds and possibly less if Lara deals enough punishment to halt the fight. However if he Saul comes with an aggressive mentality and well conditioned(shaky topic), then this fight will be hands down the best of the year thus far in my opinion.
                  Or maybe he just isn't capable of doing what you guys want him to do.

                  Comment

                  • From Russia
                    Undisputed Champion
                    Platinum Champion - 1,000-5,000 posts
                    • Nov 2013
                    • 1195
                    • 95
                    • 8
                    • 7,987

                    #19
                    Canelo surprised many people in Trout and Angulo fight, maybe he gonna surprise us at july 12. I think he will stalk Lara with earmuffs defence and work on the inside, yes its not typical for Canelo but i expect him to choose right strategy for this fight.

                    Comment

                    • Light_Speed
                      SPEED IS POWER
                      Unified Champion - 10,00-20,000 posts
                      • Sep 2010
                      • 11518
                      • 384
                      • 1,427
                      • 18,341

                      #20
                      I agree with his analysis but disagree with his prediction. If Canelo comes with his usual style, I don't think he'll be able to stop Lara from circling and pot-shotting him, the style matchup clearly favors Lara IMO.

                      Comment

                      Working...
                      TOP