A look into Floyd's last 9 opponents

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  • Resilient
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    #21
    Originally posted by bojangles1987
    Trying to justify Floyd's resume through undefeated records and whatever bogus belt or rankings his opponent held is ******, but it's 90% of the argument people use to call him TBE and all that.

    Names, and when you fought them, matter more than rankings. Amir Khan was WBC #1 at welterweight last year, and if Mayweather had fought him people would have said, "he fought the #1 ranked contender" without caring that Khan did not deserve it in the least.
    Exactly

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      #22
      Originally posted by bojangles1987
      Ortiz and Guerrero are ****.

      Marquez deserves more credit than Floyd gets, I do give him more credit, but there's a clear difference in Marquez then and Memo Marquez now. Plus the weight con, of course. I don't think the fight would go any differently now, don't get me wrong.

      Cotto did not have 3 good wins. He had two wins over shot fighters and a stoppage against an average guy whose knee burst during a competitive fight. That's an okay win.

      Mosley didn't look very good, but considering the talk beforehand that has to be allowed as a good win. There's no discrediting Alvarez unless the ginger goes on to suck.

      Many of these fights are an example of justifiable cherry picks, something Floyd is really good at. They look good on paper, and you can't really go too harsh because they are better wins than most pick up. And of course when other guys are cherry picking Ron Salsa it makes Floyd even better. They aren't particularly special or deserving of the hype Floyd's fans give him because of them, though.

      He and Pacquiao should have fought each other and both guys' resumes take a huge hit for not fighting each other.
      How did Mosley not look very good? He looked absolutely incredible in his fight prior which is the reason the "talk" was happening in the first place.

      Don't see how Cotto was only an "ok" win either.

      Whilst you say "most of these were cherry picks" you can also say "most of these were some of the best options available at the time"

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        #23
        Originally posted by bojangles1987
        Trying to justify Floyd's resume through undefeated records and whatever bogus belt or rankings his opponent held is ******, but it's 90% of the argument people use to call him TBE and all that.

        Names, and when you fought them, matter more than rankings. Amir Khan was WBC #1 at welterweight last year, and if Mayweather had fought him people would have said, "he fought the #1 ranked contender" without caring that Khan did not deserve it in the least.
        That's complete bull**** since when are the WBC's rankings considered or any sanctioning bodies rankings for that matter?

        Rankings are far from the be all and end all but the fact Floyds beaten the amount of Top 5 ranked guys he has and #1 ranked guys h has is obviously very impressive. If it was that easy to do you could say it for everyone but you can't

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          #24
          Originally posted by Bigg Rigg
          But he's scared to death of fighting Pacquiao. That's the problem.
          How is he scared to death of Pac, when he offered pac a fight and Pac turned him down.....I dont get how you come to that conclusion. Pac turned down Mayweather. So if we wanna use juvenile statements Pac Ducked May...He said no. He's the one that needed certain cut off days and such for drug testing.

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            #25
            if floyds resume is so easy and such trash, why hasn't another fighter fought the same fighters?

            what other current ww could have beaten all the fighters at 146 (jmm cw) and up floyd fought when he fought them?

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              #26
              Originally posted by IronDanHamza
              How did Mosley not look very good? He looked absolutely incredible in his fight prior which is the reason the "talk" was happening in the first place.

              Don't see how Cotto was only an "ok" win either.

              Whilst you say "most of these were cherry picks" you can also say "most of these were some of the best options available at the time"
              Margarito was a year and four months before the Mayweather fight. At Mosley's age, a year away is not good. Mosley had one moment and was dead tired by the 4th or 5th. Again, the talk is why no one can just refuse Mayweather any credit, but at the same time Mosley's actual performance can't be ignored.

              Cotto had done very little since Pac beat the hell out of him. A guy coming off 3 wins against Foreman, Mayorga, and Margarito is not a good win. It was okay.

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                #27
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                How did Mosley not look very good? He looked absolutely incredible in his fight prior which is the reason the "talk" was happening in the first place.

                Don't see how Cotto was only an "ok" win either.

                Whilst you say "most of these were cherry picks" you can also say "most of these were some of the best options available at the time"
                If my memory serves me correctly.....Mosley was #3 or #2 P4P at the time of their fight. He absolutely destroyed Margarito for his belt, so "Mosley not look very good" is straight BS

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                  #28
                  Much credit to Floyd for his rematches. He's doing the right thing there.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by bojangles1987
                    Trying to justify Floyd's resume through undefeated records and whatever bogus belt or rankings his opponent held is ******, but it's 90% of the argument people use to call him TBE and all that.

                    Names, and when you fought them, matter more than rankings. Amir Khan was WBC #1 at welterweight last year, and if Mayweather had fought him people would have said, "he fought the #1 ranked contender" without caring that Khan did not deserve it in the least.
                    I agree most fans to try to justify his resume to some ATG by rankings, but some make it seem like he's some bum, and some even if they don't admit it, i think they just don't like him no matter what he does.

                    The problem i have is you take all the WW right now and mix and match them with each other its good fights all them vs Floyd is cherry picks.
                    Thurman vs Maidana Porter vs Khan Maidana vs Pac Bradley vs Marquez

                    Thurman and Porter are whats hot right now but do we really know what they will end up as in 2-3 years when they finally get tested? Then its oh Floyd just beat another bum.

                    Even Marquez who he cheated in the scales, will he not be a cherry pick now vs Floyd? Regardless of weight that style match suits Floyd perfect.

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by bojangles1987
                      Margarito was a year and four months before the Mayweather fight. At Mosley's age, a year away is not good. Mosley had one moment and was dead tired by the 4th or 5th. Again, the talk is why no one can just refuse Mayweather any credit, but at the same time Mosley's actual performance can't be ignored.

                      Cotto had done very little since Pac beat the hell out of him. A guy coming off 3 wins against Foreman, Mayorga, and Margarito is not a good win. It was okay.
                      But clearly he looked extremely good.

                      Maybe Floyd was possibly part of the reason for his performance? Mosley was universally considered one of the P4P best fighters in the world when he fought him.

                      Don't Cotto's performances post Floyd mean anything or only the immediate fights after?

                      For the life of me, how can Cotto not be a good win? How? It was a good win for Trout. It would be a good win form literally anyone else other than Pacquaio and that's solely because he'd just beaten him.

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