Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 6/7/2014

[CubanGuyNYC]

Yes, I agree, but that's doesn't mean we have to neglect the reality of the events. Many fighters have essentially pimped out their name to collect one last big payday, it happens and it's unfortunate for the fans.

I have to watch the bout again. I hosted a fight party, and it turned out very nicely (except for the actual outcome of the match lol). I wound up getting juiced on Crown Royal. My impression was that Sergio looked good enough to give credit to Miguel for the win. I really don't want to examine everything under a microscope, because it's easy to find excuses when you do that. If Martinez had collapsed the way Yuri Foreman did, it would be plain to see he was in no condition to fight. Sergio appeared to be moving well, but he got caught early and never recovered. He himself says that's what happened. I believe him. There isn't much else to say.

[BMWM3P]

Yea I think that's what the little kids that are making the threads that Martinez was some handicapped invalid don't understand.

Again, what impressed me the most was Cotto just simply outboxing him. It wasn't just the fact that Martinez' knee wasn't 100% which by the way, he didn't complain about in the corner.

It was how easy Cotto was just out boxing him, and taking everything away from him. Martinez couldn't do anything, I mean nothing. His jab was ineffective, his left hand was being predicted over and over and Cotto was countering at will.

This was really a great performance, and let's remember what an injured Martinez did vs Murray and Jr...

This shows you that Cotto's boxing is on a complete other level. I really want to see Canelo vs Cotto now, IF Canelo can beat Lara.

Cotto was firing on all cylinders it was just a masterful performance. I have seen him use his right hand so effectively, his movement and timing were just on another level. This combination with Roach has really brought out the best in Cotto.

[CubanGuyNYC]

And in spite of all that, many ppl still picked him to win and it was Cotto who was shot and past his prime. So weird now.

I was one of those people.

Now, I never believed Cotto was shot. I did believe -- and continue to believe -- that his best weight was 147. In this day and age, it's not likely that a top athlete is shot and past his physical prime at age 33. I thought that Sergio's size advantage would be enough to literally outweigh any issues he might've had with encroaching age and condition (within reason, of course). I was wrong. Plain and simple.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I agree with your overall opinion and think you gave a great assessment, but isn't the bold text a bit of a contradiction? I mean, how much does it take to look 'masterful' against a shot fighter? If you put the same Martinez in with a rematch against Martin Murray, for example, then I'm sure he would have looked just as dominant and masterful, if not more than Cotto. It's unfair but Cotto's good win does reek of opportunism and a right-place-right-time scenario.

No because he dominated a shot fighter...SUPPOSEDLY. Let's say for example a #1 ranked college football team is playing some unranked team.

They win 60-3. Do you take credit away from the because they beat an unranked team? No, because the dominated that team and that's what Cotto did.

IF (and that's not confirmed yet) Martinez is really shot, then that's what an elite fighter should and did to him. Cotto performed the way he is supposed to, regardless of what version of Martinez we got.

Again, I think people put too much stock in the knee, the injuries, the age, etc and don't look at the domination from a strictly boxing perspective. I am not exaggerating when I say that I don't think Martinez win one second of that fight.

[CubanGuyNYC]

IF (and that's not confirmed yet) Martinez is really shot, then that's what an elite fighter should and did to him. Cotto performed the way he is supposed to, regardless of what version of Martinez we got.

Yep. Miguel looked great and utterly dominated a guy who, 100% or not, was the lineal middleweight champion of the world. Beat his ass, to put it plainly.

Some guys put Floyd's win over JMM down because Marquez is "too small." Fine, Mayweather is bigger. But it's tough to overlook how Floyd totally owned a fellow ATG. I think Juan landed one significant punch that night. I think that's impressive.

[SlySlickSmooth]

Cotto's footwoork was superb, him not following like Martin Murray and controlling the center of the ring was key

[-PBP-]

I agree with you. That left hook landing was the first thing I noticed, as if Martinez never planned on neutralizing it in sparring, especially considering Cotto is known for it.
On 24/7, I saw Sarmiento reviewing the Pac fight, and probably only reviewed the fights where Cotto was pummeled. But forgot to review the fights where Cotto ended fights with that same left hook.

He was aware of the left hook. In Round 1 he was circling to his left and you could hear Sormiento telling him not to be stationary and keep circling to the left.

I think it was more of Cotto's great footwork and doing an excellent job of cutting the ring off to get in position to consistently land it.

[mrlopez]

Saying that, I don't think it would have mattered if he was healthy and I will tell you why

After that point you lose all credibility.

Did not read the rest because you obviously don't see the fatality of an injured knee which seriously hampers mobility.

Good day sir.

You don't just recover from an injured knee in the space of 12 rounds you dumb****.

He's had 2 major surgeries which leads me to believe his knee isn't fit for purpose at the top level.

Any analysis you do of the fight is null & void because he's injured.

It's like me analysing a fight where one competitor has a broken leg, doesn't mean **** & never will.

Martinez and his team said it best. The punches in the 1st round is why he never really recovered. He possibly suffered a concussion and for sure a broken nose. Cotto won FAIR and SQUARE...fu.ck off hateras.s bit.ch

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Yep. Miguel looked great and utterly dominated a guy who, 100% or not, was the lineal middleweight champion of the world. Beat his ass, to put it plainly.

Some guys put Floyd's win over JMM down because Marquez is "too small." Fine, Mayweather is bigger. But it's tough to overlook how Floyd totally owned a fellow ATG. I think Juan landed one significant punch that night. I think that's impressive.

That's a good analogy, even though I didn't like what Mayweather did on the scales.

[-MAKAVELLI-]