Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 6/7/2014

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Theres a lot of variables that couldve played a factor in this fight. And I think it was a little bit of EVERYTHING. Not taking anything away from Cotto tho. And no one should.

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I agree with you. That left hook landing was the first thing I noticed, as if Martinez never planned on neutralizing it in sparring, especially considering Cotto is known for it.
On 24/7, I saw Sarmiento reviewing the Pac fight, and probably only reviewed the fights where Cotto was pummeled. But forgot to review the fights where Cotto ended fights with that same left hook.

Which makes me wonder just how much sparring Martinez actually did for this fight, if at all. Martinez wasn't very fond of too much sparring in recent years and there might be a possibility he barely sparred for this. If you look back at the 24-7, they could barely show any training footage besides hitting some bags and doing weights.

[PR13]

I won't really talk about any other fight than the big one. Simply because I thought the under card was terrible, and I was really shocked as to how bad it was. You would think that HBO PPV would put on a better show than that, but it seemed like they had nothing to be made in time.

Cotto vs Martinez:

First I want to say cong**** to Cotto, amazing performance and I was completely wrong about this fight. There was a serious question on my part as to what version of Sergio Martinez we would see and I wasn't sure. I know that Martinez hasn't looked good in a while, was coming off a long layoff, 3 knee injuries, shoulder injury and a broken hand.

Saying that, I don't think it would have mattered if he was healthy and I will tell you why. What shocked me the most about this fight was how Cotto just simply out boxed him. He was on another level of boxing than Martinez and it was plain to see. I understand that Cotto caught Sergio with a huge left hook in the first round that changed the complexity of the fight, but it wouldn't have mattered.

Fighting a lefty is difficult enough, understanding what to do against a slick left hander can be difficult, but it wasn't for Cotto. As a matter of fact, it was Martinez that became a one dimensional fighter. He was simply looking for the left hand, and trying to set it up with the right jab, Cotto was prepared for it. Freddie Roach talked about how Martinez has nothing left, and that he isn't a boxer the way Cotto is, he was right.

Cotto took advantage of that lead hand down style Martinez has, and landed the left hook at will. (By the way, I will make sure to tell my fighters this is why I want both hands up!) Cotto landed some great body shots but they weren't even necessary to be honest, he was simply out boxing Martinez and beating him at his own game. He was stepping in and out, using the jab to perfection and setting up the left hook up top.

Martinez started to throw the lead left to the body later in the fight but it was too little too late and Cotto was landing the right hand counter when he started doing that. I guess Freddie Roach really did see something most of us didn't see. Cotto's boxing would have taken over this fight no matter if he never knocked Martinez down in the first.

So here's the question....

Was it a great performance by Cotto, or simply the fact that Martinez is done? To be honest I think it's a little of both, but that takes no credit from Cotto because of the way he beat Martinez. It was complete and total domination, I mean it almost seemed as though Martinez didn't belong in the same ring as Cotto it was that one sided.

Cotto also has his manager or whoever made the decision to fight Martinez instead of Canelo to thank. One of the most underrated parts of a boxer's career is his manager. Floyd Mayweather has been accused of being a "cherry picker" but it's his decisions on who to fight and when to fight them is the main reason he's a millionaire many times over. This decisions for Cotto did the same thing.

Roach saw something in Martinez that told him that Cotto could beat him, he was right. Now as the linear champ at 160, the door is wide open for Cotto to do many things. He can fight a big name there, or do what we all want to see and that's stage a major showdown against Canelo. Mexico vs Puerto Rico would sell huge and seeing as how Cotto looked, would be a very interesting fight if Canelo can get passed Lara.

I always had respect for Cotto, and meeting him on a few occasions I know how much boxing means to him. He works incredibly hard, is one of the best fighters out there and this win really puts him in the drivers seat when it comes to his last fights and the money he will make.

As far as Martinez, I never say this but I think he should retire. He didn't look anywhere near the Martinez I'm used to seeing and I think all those knee surgeries, and him being 40 years old has finally caught up to him. He's just not the same fighter and I don't see him beating any of the top guys in the division. He had a great career, and has been a great champion but I think his time is done.

Congratulations once again to Cotto, and all the Puerto Rican fans out there. I'm sure the PR parade was poppin off in NYC.

Good take on Saturday's Fight... Cotto deserves all the credit here.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Yet nothing was wrong with the knee....

So I guess the hospital is lying,
My whole point revolves around his knee being bust up PRIOR to this fight and DURING so I have no idea what you are talking about when you say...

In short:

If you make a comprehensive report against a CRIPPLED fighter, it just shows you lack intelligence because the data is NULL & VOID.


I will take all credit away from Cotto as he was fighting a dead man.

This is worse than Pac vs Oscar IMO

That is your opinion and you are now back peddling from what you originally said.

If his knee was shot prior to the fight, ok but we don't know that for sure and you cannot simply take credit away from Cotto for dominating him the way he did.

Everyone is claiming that his knee was hurt DURING the fight, and the reports from the hospital and Martinez' camp say the complete opposite.

Again, maybe Martinez was/is shot, that's fine. At the same time, look at the performance that Cotto gave, it was masterful. He dominated every second of every round and I don't think Martinez landed one significant shot on Cotto all night.

So Cotto did what he was supposed to do IF you want to say Martinez is a shot fighter. If Cotto would have struggled, and then won, maybe you have an argument.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Which makes me wonder just how much sparring Martinez actually did for this fight, if at all. Martinez wasn't very fond of too much sparring in recent years and there might be a possibility he barely sparred for this. If you look back at the 24-7, they could barely show any training footage besides hitting some bags and doing weights.

Martinez supposedly spent 9 months on crutches, then came the painful rehab work on the knee. That must've eaten up a tremendous amount of time that could've been better used in the gym, working on boxing. Oh, well. He took the fight. He lost. No excuses.

[CubanGuyNYC]

Again, maybe Martinez was/is shot, that's fine. At the same time, look at the performance that Cotto gave, it was masterful. He dominated every second of every round and I don't think Martinez landed one significant shot on Cotto all night.

So Cotto did what he was supposed to do IF you want to say Martinez is a shot fighter. If Cotto would have struggled, and then won, maybe you have an argument.

Yessir....

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That is your opinion and you are now back peddling from what you originally said.

If his knee was shot prior to the fight, ok but we don't know that for sure and you cannot simply take credit away from Cotto for dominating him the way he did.

Everyone is claiming that his knee was hurt DURING the fight, and the reports from the hospital and Martinez' camp say the complete opposite.

Again, maybe Martinez was/is shot, that's fine. At the same time, look at the performance that Cotto gave, it was masterful. He dominated every second of every round and I don't think Martinez landed one significant shot on Cotto all night.

So Cotto did what he was supposed to do IF you want to say Martinez is a shot fighter. If Cotto would have struggled, and then won, maybe you have an argument.

I agree with your overall opinion and think you gave a great assessment, but isn't the bold text a bit of a contradiction? I mean, how much does it take to look 'masterful' against a shot fighter? If you put the same Martinez in with a rematch against Martin Murray, for example, then I'm sure he would have looked just as dominant and masterful, if not more than Cotto. It's unfair but Cotto's good win does reek of opportunism and a right-place-right-time scenario.

[Curtiz]

I agree with your overall opinion and think you gave a great assessment, but isn't the bold text a bit of a contradiction? I mean, how much does it take to look 'masterful' against a shot fighter? If you put the same Martinez in with a rematch against Martin Murray, for example, then I'm sure he would have looked just as dominant and masterful, if not more than Cotto. It's unfair but Cotto's good win does reek of opportunism and a right-place-right-time scenario.

Winner , you can't burn both ends.

The whole analysis was a contradiction.

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Martinez supposedly spent 9 months on crutches, then came the painful rehab work on the knee. That must've eaten up a tremendous amount of time that could've been better used in the gym, working on boxing. Oh, well. He took the fight. He lost. No excuses.

Yes, I agree, but that's doesn't mean we have to neglect the reality of the events. Many fighters have essentially pimped out their name to collect one last big payday, it happens and it's unfortunate for the fans.

[6Bound]

Martinez supposedly spent 9 months on crutches, then came the painful rehab work on the knee. That must've eaten up a tremendous amount of time that could've been better used in the gym, working on boxing. Oh, well. He took the fight. He lost. No excuses.

And in spite of all that, many ppl still picked him to win and it was Cotto who was shot and past his prime. So weird now.