Cuauhtemoc1520's take on this weekend 6/7/2014

[Curtiz]

Martinez and his team said it best. The punches in the 1st round is why he never really recovered. He possibly suffered a concussion and for sure a broken nose. Cotto won FAIR and SQUARE...fu.ck off hateras.s bit.ch

"It taught me his weaknesses and during this camp I was able to eliminate them. The wear and tear of the Julio Cesar Chavez Jr fight ruined Martinez. He has nothing left. Miguel is the fresher fighter," Roach said.

We can all play this game.

I use my eyes, his knee was in BAD shape.

Look at the chavez fight then this, OBVIOUS.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

"It taught me his weaknesses and during this camp I was able to eliminate them. The wear and tear of the Julio Cesar Chavez Jr fight ruined Martinez. He has nothing left. Miguel is the fresher fighter," Roach said.

We can all play this game.

I use my eyes, his knee was in BAD shape.

Look at the chavez fight then this, OBVIOUS.

Ok that's fine, if you would have read my original post, and not skimmed over it and then called me an idiot, I said the same thing.

My point is, how does that in any way shape or form discredit Cotto's win? He dominated a fighter who might have been shot, that's what you are supposed to do.

He didn't struggle with Martinez, he won every second of every round.

[Curtiz]

Ok that's fine, if you would have read my original post, and not skimmed over it and then called me an idiot, I said the same thing.

My point is, how does that in any way shape or form discredit Cotto's win? He dominated a fighter who might have been shot, that's what you are supposed to do.

He didn't struggle with Martinez, he won every second of every round.

I apologise for that then.

With your analogy on the 60-3 victory you shouldn't get credit for it.

It's expected to dominate the low ranked team.

Would you give somebody credit for beating 100 bums and having a perfect record?

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I apologise for that then.

With your analogy on the 60-3 victory you shouldn't get credit for it.

It's expected to dominate the low ranked team.

Would you give somebody credit for beating 100 bums and having a perfect record?

Well you are now going from one extreme to another. Martinez is hardly a bum, so I don't think that's relevant.

Again, I agree it's a combination of the two. That Cotto was on that night, and that Martinez is at least partially shot.

Saying that, it was a masterful performance and it really opened the doors to a couple of last fights that will have him sitting pretty at the negotiation table.

[BuckToothed]

He was aware of the left hook. In Round 1 he was circling to his left and you could hear Sormiento telling him not to be stationary and keep circling to the left.

I think it was more of Cotto's great footwork and doing an excellent job of cutting the ring off to get in position to consistently land it.

He's still got hit way too many times by it... you'd think after being clocked clean by it and KD several times after, that he'd circle away from it (he didn't do enough of) and would have put his right hand up to take away some steam from them.

Yeah, Cotto's footwork and overall demeanor/confidence was top notch.
BTW, I picked Sergio to win on this one...

[Curtiz]

Well you are now going from one extreme to another. Martinez is hardly a bum, so I don't think that's relevant.

Again, I agree it's a combination of the two. That Cotto was on that night, and that Martinez is at least partially shot.

Saying that, it was a masterful performance and it really opened the doors to a couple of last fights that will have him sitting pretty at the negotiation table.

My point in short is that the win means nothing to me, Martinez IMO was in no fit state to fight . Which to me is on the same level as fighting a bum to explain the comparison.

That's not to say Martinez is a bum he's a world class fighter but injuries effect the level you operate at.

Also as levels of injuries go this is 9/10 for severeness just so we're on the same page, maybe you rate it as a 6/10 .

I can't call anything a masterful performance when the opponent is hampered so badly.

If Cotto beat a bum I wouldn't call it a masterful performance .

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He's still got hit way too many times by it... you'd think after being clocked clean by it and KD several times after, that he'd circle away from it (he didn't do enough of) and would have put his right hand up to take away some steam from them.

Yeah, Cotto's footwork and overall demeanor/confidence was top notch.
BTW, I picked Sergio to win on this one...

Yeah his lack of technical skill and bad habits finally caught up to him especially since his reflexes aren't what they used to be. A lot of that too might have been from the first round which shook him up and forced him to fight being behind on points.

[El Malo.]

Saying that, I don't think it would have mattered if he was healthy and I will tell you why

After that point you lose all credibility.

Did not read the rest because you obviously don't see the fatality of an injured knee which seriously hampers mobility.

Good day sir.

Yes but that's something both Martinez and Cotto took a gamble on. Martinez was hoping his knees would hold up and have a big size advantage over Cotto. On the other hand Cotto took the risk of fighting the bigger man in hoping Martinez wouldn't be completely physically recovered from his previous injuries and it paid off for Cotto. I for sure thought Martinez the bigger fighter was going to walk all over Cotto, in fact most of us believed the same thing. All credit to Cotto for having mammoth like balls and fighting the bigger man

[BuckToothed]

Yeah his lack of technical skill and bad habits finally caught up to him especially since his reflexes aren't what they used to be. A lot of that too might have been from the first round which shook him up and forced him to fight being behind on points.

Yeah, it happens... changing of the guards type of deal, I just didn't think Cotto will be the one to do it since everyone believed he's already too small for JMW.

Roach should also get some credit for getting it "right", like with Pac vs ODLH.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

Yeah his lack of technical skill and bad habits finally caught up to him especially since his reflexes aren't what they used to be. A lot of that too might have been from the first round which shook him up and forced him to fight being behind on points.

Pretty much this.

It reminds me when Roy Jones Jr got knocked out.