Comments Thread For: Pacquiao, Top Rank Extend Contract To December 2016

[Risen]

I salute you, very unbiased neutral. I agree with most, but the way you guys say FMJ wouldnt have fought pacman, to me is no fact and cant be proven. The things FMJ says arent that important it would be about what would have been negotiated. evryone can talk a good game in front of a camera.
In Pac support if he really has a garanteed 20M contract that can go up based on PPV buys that is a top tier deal. So if thats true than monetary he's ok. But the roster at HBO is so lacking at the moment...

It would be so great to see pac vs the top dogs at showtime. The boxingworld has lost potential epic matches. I mean i would have been filled with adrenaline if pac would have faced the Porters and Thurmans...

Too bad Haymon and Schaefer jumped ship first, eh?

[cashdon]

this is so overlooked it's not even funny

Well things have DRASTICALLY changed since 09'* In 09' Floyd was just off a near 2 yr layoff with alleged money and tax problems. Despite just dusting off Pac's nemesis Marquez rather handidly. Pacquiao was the consensus lb for lb king and PPV king in Floyd's absence. If reports are true of the one and ONLY legitimate negotiations, Floyd realized that he and Pac were at just about on near footing and seemingly compromised: agreeing to 50/50 split, gloves, ring size and ridiculous $1mil per pound weight clause although Floyd had NEVER missed his weight class weight limit. (Yes he missed catchweight but was still 1 lb under welterweight limit).* We all know about Pacquiao's rejection of Floyd's stipulation including Floyd again capitulating in arbitration. I*believe Floyd's financial situation superceded his dislike for Arum at that time and this is where Manny and his advisors dropped the ball. They had leverage at the negotiating table and lost it as Floyd re-established himself as lb for lb king while Manny had diminishing results ending with a brutal KO to Marquez after just squeaking by Marquez in 3rd fight. Many believed he lost so the controversial lost to Bradley was a wash to most including myself. Manny has somewhat restored some of that lost glory with his last two fights but the fact still remains at the negotiating table he has most definitely lost major ground. His PPV, live gate numbers pale in comparison as is his boxing status relative to 09'. Floyd's financial situation has SIGNIFICANTLY improved since 09' to the point he really doesn't need the fight save for legacy. (He'd receive much less credit for beating this version of Pac anyway) Now with you being in Floyd's shoes financially and with all leverage at the negotiation table why would you bend to a promoter who not only owes you money, but has gone on 5yr campaign of lies and excuses as to why the fight hasn't been made to make you look bad. *Then with that not being enough, try to sabotage your fights in the press by belittling your opponents and trying to hurt your reputation but MOST importantly your bottom line. I can see why Floyd doesn't want to do business with Arum. Honestly would*

[Carpe Diem]

The reason Mayweather gets brought into it is because his tard fans have become obsessed with the idea of Pacquiao, a fighter they hate, leave his promoter since Floyd starting pushing the idea. That is why "Pac should leave Bob" has become the new buzz topic now no-one cares about OST or Catchweights.

As for Pac fighting those GBP fighters - yes, that would be nice. You know what else would be nice? Floyd fighting non-GBP fighters - Pacquaio, Bradley, Provodnikov, Martinez, GGG. Or are you OK with a Khan fight and Chino re-match?

You know what? Floyd should leave Haymon for the sake of the sport of boxing so he can finally make that Pacquiao fight.

Those two fights would never happen and I still don't know why people are even suggesting them. Agenda? I guess. It would be nice to see Floyd fight Bradley, Provodnikov, but we can't. He doesn't want anything to do with Arum. I can't say the same thing for Manny when it comes to working with Haymon. Manny had the chance to work with both sides if he wanted to, and chose not. Bottom line, Floyd still has more options to fight. He can be the first to take Thurman, Porter, DSG[Yeah, i know] 0's, he can still do a rematch with Canelo that would still probably do a lot of numbers, etc.

[badass316]

Again, just your opinion. Bottom line, he fought Cotto as soon as Cotto was a free agent at the time. You can twist it however you see fit, but the Manny didn't called his bluff, Cotto did.

An opinion formed from assessing one's actions. Again, Floyd has shown absolutely no willingness to fight Pacquiao... Ever. To think that notion if going to change simply because Pacquiao gives in to one of his long list of demands is ludicrous. We haven't even gotten to the sensitive area of glove choice yet and you think Floyd is going to green light Pacquiao even if he wasn't with Arum?

Cotto didn't have do anything. Mayweather was going to fight him regardless. He was the third biggest draw and was shot to bits. To insinuate that Floyd fought Cotto simply because he left Arum is pretty ridiculous.

[p4p-champ]

Not surprising in the least bit, the signs have always been there. Manny would be hard pressed to leave TopRank.

- Manny has never taken his longtime Filipino lawyer's advice (Gacal) on leaving Arum due to questionable contacts and business.

- Koncz whom is Manny's adviser, is a TopRank shill, inserted by Bob Arum himself in order to continue brain washing Manny.

- Manny owing millions in taxes from which Arum and his company handle on his behalf.

- Top Rank loaning money to Manny

- Pacquiao hiring VisionQwest to audit TopRank contracts, Taxes, financial records only to fire them shortly after. The company still manages to uncover missing funds along with shady contracts.


...and the list goes on.

Lets be real, the odds have been stacked against Manny ever being able to detach himself from TopRank, and its been that way for a long time. The poor uneducated bastard signed a deal with the devil and Arum has had his soul since.


RIP Mayweather vs Pacquiao; hello TopRank re-runs for another 3 years.

[littlemac]

LAS VEGAS, NV -- Bob Arum, CEO of Top Rank, is pleased to announce that Top Rank has signed an agreement with Manny Pacquiao and MP Promotions extending their promotional agreement through December 31, 2016.

"We are pleased that together with our partners at HBO we will continue presenting to the public fights of the great Manny Pacquiao through the end of 2016," Arum said.

"The partnership among Manny, Top Rank, MP Promotions and HBO has been a wonderful one for all parties and for the public and it's great that is will continue for the years to come," Arum said.

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Hopefully Oscar and Arum can make some good fights for him (or us).

[mourinho1]

Has Floyd given you any reason not to believe otherwise? Seriously.

Please, Miguel was shot to bits and was the third biggest draw at the time. To insinuate that Cotto leaving Arum was the main reason Floyd fought him is asinine. Maybe after Pacquiao gets brutally stopped two more times Floyd would actually publicly state his willingness to fight him.

This is where we disagree fudamentally!!!

you think its a game of who is scared...

I think its about the dollar.


If pacman was free and negotiating we would have known atleast he would have tried. he never tried. but lets stop about FMJ, pacman never wanted him IMO. The rest of the showtime roster would have been good enough for me, if pacman would have faced them. im dissappointed.

In the end i dont see much differences between two camps, both are cherry pickers and both prefer business above sport when it comes down to it.

[Bronx2245]

Has Floyd given you any reason not to believe otherwise? Seriously.

Please, Miguel was shot to bits and was the third biggest draw at the time. To insinuate that Cotto leaving Arum was the main reason Floyd fought him is asinine. Maybe after Pacquiao gets brutally stopped two more times Floyd would actually publicly state his willingness to fight him.

If you're trying to insinuate that Floyd only chose Cotto because he thought Cotto was a shot fighter, than you must not know the history:

http://espn.go.com/boxing/story/_/id...rematch-boxing

Cotto said he was surprised to read that Arum said he offered him $13 million.

"Bob said he offered us $13 million, but he never came to us with that offer," Cotto said. "He always offered us the same guarantee he offered us in 2009, with the same benefits, and that's not fair. He offered the exact same amount of money. Of course it's a business, but all we want is fair business. You can say to Bob to tell me he made that offer to me to my face, and you will see his reaction.

"Miguel Cotto always agrees to fight the best. I've never said no to anybody, but you need to treat me fairly in business."

Even if the money could have been worked out, Cotto said the weight was a major issue.

For the 2009 bout he had agreed to go down to 145 pounds, two less than the welterweight limit, and said it took its toll. If he had taken the rematch at 150, it would mean dropping 4 pounds below the junior middleweight limit, which is where Cotto has fought his four bouts since his loss to Pacquiao.

"If he wants a big name and wants to fight the best, no catchweight," Cotto said of Pacquiao. "Making catchweights is easy for them. They make the other guy have trouble making weight and they take advantage of that. I wasn't going to do that again. I am 154 pounds. I am not going to fight at a catchweight and make myself weak."

[mourinho1]

Too bad Haymon and Schaefer jumped ship first, eh?

fair enough!

Oprah would say:''two wrongs do not make a right'' :-)

[Carpe Diem]

An opinion formed from assessing one's actions. Again, Floyd has shown absolutely no willingness to fight Pacquiao... Ever. To think that notion if going to change simply because Pacquiao gives in to one of his long list of demands is ludicrous. We haven't even gotten to the sensitive area of glove choice yet and you think Floyd is going to green light Pacquiao even if he wasn't with Arum?

Cotto didn't have do anything. Mayweather was going to fight him regardless. He was the third biggest draw and was shot to bits. To insinuate that Floyd fought Cotto simply because he left Arum is pretty ridiculous.

I'm assuming that would've still been the case if Cotto had re-up with Arum at the time. Right? It doesn't matter if Cotto had re-up his contract with Arum, Floyd would've still fought him at the time. Am i right?