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  • fighter1234
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    #71
    Originally posted by Weebler I
    Pacquiao's an effective counter-puncher. I don't see him being moved onto the backfoot, Bradley managed it for a few rounds but it was hard work and it gassed him out.



    Pacquiao wants his opponents to come at him offering him a target, it's much harder for him to chase opponents down and be the hunter.

    Judah's a pure boxer, Pacquiao is much more unorthodox and unpredictable, more volume and more movement. Moreover, Floyd lost the first four rounds of that fight. FMJ did it against Ortiz but Ortiz can't counter in volume like Pacquiao, and he's not as fast either.
    Actually, Pacquiao's ideal scenario is for someone to stand right in front of him and act as a slow-plodding punching bag AKA Brandon Rios. We've never seen Pacquiao have to deal with effective aggressiveness. Floyd could change his look while coming forward, hit him with the straight right and then smother Pacquiao's return fire.

    Floyd doesn't need to walk him down to win- there are 10 ways Floyd beats Pac. It's just that he can do it if he so chooses to.

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    • IronDanHamza
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      #72
      Pacquaio and Maidana are two entirely different styles so you can't gauge anything from this fight.

      I also personally think Pacquaio would be an easier fight than Maidana.

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        #73
        Originally posted by Shambrolic
        I just broke it down of how Pacquaio is going to get beat. As you said Paxquiao will counter when he is touched which is the point of the feint touch jab. Once Mayweather see him react, he will time him with a counter. Mayweather will just take a half step back and then bam. He will then lateral then feint touch jab him again until Pacquiao is mentally occupied about what to do then keep walking him down. Marquez already showed Pacquiao is susceptible to feints.. Mayweather timing will obliterate easily.
        Pacquiao doesn't just counter, he counters with multiple fast flurries of punches. He can take a punch too, and Floyd's not the hardest hitter.

        I see Marquez comparisons but he took three fights to properly work Pacquiao out, and he was losing the 4th until "the punch".

        Originally posted by fighter1234
        Actually, Pacquiao's ideal scenario is for someone to stand right in front of him and act as a slow-plodding punching bag AKA Brandon Rios. We've never seen Pacquiao have to deal with effective aggressiveness. Floyd could change his look while coming forward, hit him with the straight right and then smother Pacquiao's return fire.

        Floyd doesn't need to walk him down to win- there are 10 ways Floyd beats Pac. It's just that he can do it if he so chooses to.
        Bradley, Hatton and Margarito all came at him. So did Cotto in the early rounds when he got dropped. Pacquiao prefers it that way.

        Rios's gameplan was smart given his limitations, cover up and land in combos when Pac got close.
        Last edited by Weebler I; 05-08-2014, 07:16 AM.

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        • BillyBoxing
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          #74
          Originally posted by fighter1234
          I'm not sure why you're so dismissive of the idea that Floyd walks Pacquiao down. He's done it before in his fights. In fact, he did it against another fast south paw, Judah. He did it against Ortiz because he, like Pacquiao, can't fight going backwards. Mayweather doesn't just have one style. He'll change it up multiple times within a round. That's part of the reason why he's so hard to beat.
          The opposite for me, I'm not sure why you guys are so confident about Floyd walking down Pac.

          Pacquiao is not Ortiz or Judah.

          If mayweather could walk down Ortiz and Judah, it's mainly because both are weak minded fighters.

          Manny can counterpunch and has quicker legs than Mayweather, trying to chase and walk down Manny isn't the best game plan for Floyd IMO.

          Marquez and Cotto had success waiting for Manny to come and open up. When they tried to be the agressor, they finished the ass on the canevas.

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          • fighter1234
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            #75
            Originally posted by Weebler I

            Bradley, Hatton and Margarito all came at him. So did Cotto in the early rounds when he got dropped. Pacquiao prefers it that way.

            Rios's gameplan was smart given his limitations, cover up and land in combos when Pac got close.
            There's no point in arguing with you because you seem to pick out one point instead of analyzing what I write as a whole. Floyd is not Margarito..or Cotto...or Hatton. None of those guys can be as effective as Floyd coming forward.

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              #76
              Originally posted by BillyBoxing
              The opposite for me, I'm not sure why you guys are so confident about Floyd walking down Pac.

              Pacquiao is not Ortiz or Judah.

              If mayweather could walk down Ortiz and Judah, it's mainly because both are weak minded fighters.

              Manny can counterpunch and has quicker legs than Mayweather, trying to chase and walk down Manny isn't the best game plan for Floyd IMO.

              Marquez and Cotto had success waiting for Manny to come and open up. When they tried to be the agressor, they finished the ass on the canevas.
              I can't wait to see you cats discredit Floyd after beating manny the very way we've stated

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                #77
                Originally posted by fighter1234
                Actually, Pacquiao's ideal scenario is for someone to stand right in front of him and act as a slow-plodding punching bag AKA Brandon Rios. We've never seen Pacquiao have to deal with effective aggressiveness. Floyd could change his look while coming forward, hit him with the straight right and then smother Pacquiao's return fire.

                Floyd doesn't need to walk him down to win- there are 10 ways Floyd beats Pac. It's just that he can do it if he so chooses to.
                I agree, and, because Mayweather always find a way to win, and bring his best for the big fights, I think he would beat Pacquiao.

                BUT, same goes for Floyd, he never had to deal with something close to Pacquiao style.

                I still want to see how Floyd smother Pacquiao's flurries. Unlike what Lampley claimed, Pacquiao's punches and angles aren't conventionnal AT ALL.

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by fighter1234
                  There's no point in arguing with you because you seem to pick out one point instead of analyzing what I write as a whole. Floyd is not Margarito..or Cotto...or Hatton. None of those guys can be as effective as Floyd coming forward.
                  I'm not arguing, I'm discussing/debating. I pick out the parts I disagree with.

                  Anyway, how can you say that (in bold) when their entire careers have been based on coming forward while the majority of Floyd's has been boxing off the backfoot?

                  I watched Floyd get tagged by Mosley and Ortiz fighting on the front foot, he's not some invisible man who can't get hit. Every come-forward figter gets hit even those with good defence like Chavez Sr and Golovkin and to do it against Pacquiao is not the best plan imo.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by BillyBoxing
                    The opposite for me, I'm not sure why you guys are so confident about Floyd walking down Pac.

                    Pacquiao is not Ortiz or Judah.

                    If mayweather could walk down Ortiz and Judah, it's mainly because both are weak minded fighters.

                    Manny can counterpunch and has quicker legs than Mayweather, trying to chase and walk down Manny isn't the best game plan for Floyd IMO.

                    Marquez and Cotto had success waiting for Manny to come and open up. When they tried to be the agressor, they finished the ass on the canevas.
                    If Floyd tried walking down Manny he'd get Clottey'd.

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                    • fighter1234
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                      #80
                      Originally posted by BillyBoxing
                      I agree, and, because Mayweather always find a way to win, and bring his best for the big fights, I think he would beat Pacquiao.

                      BUT, same goes for Floyd, he never had to deal with something close to Pacquiao style.

                      I still want to see how Floyd smother Pacquiao's flurries. Unlike what Lampley claimed, Pacquiao's punches and angles aren't conventionnal AT ALL.
                      Yep so two fighters who'd have to face styles they've never encountered before...who would feel more comfortable, the 1-Dimensional fighter or the adaptive boxer? hmm looks like we need to resort to the history books for this one...

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