Schaefer gives Hoya the finger

[sdcluser]

do people seriously think top rank is about to run out of business or something????



This is all you need to know about the two promotional companies,

GOLDEN BOY PROMOTIONS HAS NEVER BUILT A BOXER FROM THE GROUND UP TO PPV STAR.

NEVER.

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How about Canelo?

[Saul_Good]

Yes, but the result would be a New Cold War. Schaefer/Haymon start their own company or move to Mayweather Promotions and they don't put on fights with EITHER Top Rank or Golden Boy. And all the current GBP fighters they try to take with them will be busy with litigation and out of the ring for several months. People actually WANT this to happen?

The ONLY good thing that could result is Ellerbee being demoted, as Schaefer will surely take his role.

Point taken.

[oneon11]

No can do......

please please please Oscar...fire this mutha****a

Firing Richard then Oscar has no connection to get that good blow he puts up his nose. One thing about Oscar mentally all it takes is to be in the wrong place where there's that white powder and he's a cooked Golden Goose. That powder weakens the brain cells and Richard knows he has Oscar right where he wants him. In and out of rehab. .......People hoping Richard gets fired are on some powerful stuff.........

[DoktorSleepless]

Schafer is a shareholder as well. Further, if the profitability is an issue, Oscar won't be the only shareholder raising a stink.

He's not a big one. (read this in an interview. can't remember where) As long as he has his salary, he probably doesn't care. Or probably thinks what he's doing will pay off in the future, but the other shareholders don't agree.

The job of a CEO is to generate revenue and make money for investors. There is no way a CEO could hold a job for nearly 20 years without doing both. Furthermore, Golden Boy is self funded. They generate a pretty hefty check with their PPV's and their policy is to reinvest back into the firm so if there is an issue, it isn't with the CEO it's with the model.

http://www.businessweek.com/articles...ales-no-profit

Heck, maybe they were doing well before, and it's only recently that Scheafer started to make the company suck.

That's just speculation on your part unless you have evidence that they aren't being profitable.

The company could be doing very well and Oscar could still have issues, be it out of jealousy or due to the company going in a different direction than he envisioned etc.

There's another major shareholder besides Hoya. He can't just do anything he wants willy nilly without their consent.

[lakematter75]

Richard doesn't care he holds all the power at GB.


Oscars best move was to hire Richard to build GB up. But Oscar made a mistake to just throw Richard the keys, he's not hands on

Oscars F'd It's at the point if Oscar fired Richard and Shaffer sided with Haymon & Mayweather and took Haymons stable and started their own thing who does GB have left Canelo ? And if Lara beats Canelo won't that hurt Canelos stock.

If a depleted GB and TR teamed up still wouldn't solve anything with a rift between Espinoza, Haymon , Shaffer
Mayweathers building himself to be the face of boxing after he retires and take over Oscars spot and I don't think there's much Oscar can do

I said this Awhile ago this is playing out on some Art of War, 48 laws of power and I think the winners as far as power and $ are going to be Haymon, Shaeffer, Mayweather and the losers will be Arum, Top Rank and possibly Oscar.

I think there is some truth in what you are saying, time will tell. Richard certainly is not worried about oscar taking his power away, that says alot.

[DoktorSleepless]

Groupon CEO gets fired.
http://allthingsd.com/20130228/group...-mason-as-ceo/

"The announcement follows an ugly fourth-quarter earnings report, in which the company posted a GAAP loss of 12 cents per share

JC Penny CEO is fired
http://www.forbes.com/sites/marketsh...-jcpenney-ceo/

We can't imagine that anyone is surprised. The results of his efforts were dismal. Grim. jcp (Mr. Johnson "modernized" the name and logo) lost $552 million in the 4th quarter, nearly a billion dollars for the year, and sales fell nearly 29% versus a year ago. Oh, and J.C. Penney share lost half their value during Mr. Johnson's tenure. So really, really grim.

Any time you hear about a CEO getting fired it's almost always about the company's profitability. When it's not, it's when the CEO does something illegal or does something that hurts the company's image.

Please someone find the many examples of a CEO being fired because someone was being mad jelly.

Am I seriously being the crazy one here for having the nerve to think a CEO's dismissal may be because of the #1 reason CEOs usually get dumped?

[lakematter75]

Hopefully Oscar does what's needed to be done and removes Schaefer from the equation; he has a CLEAR unwillingness to cooperate and is quite honestly acting like an emotional little b!tch, focusing on feelings and previous actions as opposed to what is best for the sport.

The people who side with Schaefer are sadly either diehard Mayweather fans or people who hate Bob Arum/Top Rank religiously, that's evident from this thread.

It is what it is man, we have nothing to do with the outcome

[maguirre]

Wow, twenty pages of fanboyism.

[maguirre]

Question to ask is,

if Schaefer/Showtime/Haymon are so wonderful and have been amassing profits from the Mayweather fights, where's the beef? How come many of their fighters are on a long layoff? Khan, Guerrero, Berto, Matthysse, etc., guys with fan-friendly styles, are now fighting once a year. Do you think TR will let these guys rot without fighting? Where is Peterson, Lopez, Charlo, etc.? Why are their stars not fighting each other?

TR's Alvarado, Marquez, Pacquiao, Provo, Rios, win or lose they fight each other. GBP stars have to have tune ups before fighting another star again. Look at them. Broner vs nobody. Matthysse vs nobody. Garcia's last fight was with someone.... See the huge difference?

Ending the cold war means nothing to GBP. Their stars don't even fight each other, let alone against TR fighters.

There you go. How can you explain this? Hehe...

GBP stars are way over protected.

[sdcluser]

Richard doesn't care he holds all the power at GB.


Oscars best move was to hire Richard to build GB up. But Oscar made a mistake to just throw Richard the keys, he's not hands on

Oscars F'd It's at the point if Oscar fired Richard and Shaffer sided with Haymon & Mayweather and took Haymons stable and started their own thing who does GB have left Canelo ? And if Lara beats Canelo won't that hurt Canelos stock.

If a depleted GB and TR teamed up still wouldn't solve anything with a rift between Espinoza, Haymon , Shaffer
Mayweathers building himself to be the face of boxing after he retires and take over Oscars spot and I don't think there's much Oscar can do

I said this Awhile ago this is playing out on some Art of War, 48 laws of power and I think the winners as far as power and $ are going to be Haymon, Shaeffer, Mayweather and the losers will be Arum, Top Rank and possibly Oscar.

Just my opinion (share us yours):

The winners is probably some of the boxers being overpaid as these guys trying to sign them up without realizing the cost.

Big loser:

1) Fans - I don't need to go into this.

2 ) Showtime and HBO. So much for the large gain in subscriber of Showtime from boxing. LOL
HBO is probably thinking a better strategy would be producing shows like Games of Throne than putting losing operation like boxing

3) Promotion companies - 1st casualty is gonna be GBP. Arum will probably be six feet under before this cold war ends. Haymon/Schaefer may (Big if) come out on top if someone else gets the shoulder the expense. Remember Schaefer/Haymon is effectively spending GBP $$. But if they continue to make ****ty fights and the revenue doesn't cover cost. They will lose too.

When there is war, not many make $$ until a clear winner emerges with cost contained.