Boxing should come 1st not $$$ or safety

[titan m]

You should be banned for ****** sh:t like this. How bout you lace em up, get brain damage.. And we'll say thank you for entertaining us.

Of course fans want the best fighting the best but how could you say that safety shouldn't matter??

The money part, that's irrelevant. What they make is on them. I could care less.

I don't think the thread starter meant fighters safety doesn't matter though, more about fighters taking the easier/safer fights instead of the fights that fans are screaming for.

[RAV3N]

My man, we both know what you were discussing in your initial post. Don't try and spin it now.

You are entitled to feel however you want. I just find your opinion to be immature. Like I said, become a pro and then you'll see.

If you know anything abut the sport you know that more often than not you have to wait for the best matchups to happen. Check when Hearns beat Cuevas and when he fought SRL, Benitez. Then DUran and Hagler. SRL beat Benitez in 79 and Hagler in 87.

Your thread is just exteremely naive. The biggest fight possible didn't happen and its going on 4 years. Check the timeline from SRL's "retirement ceremony" to the day he fought Hagler. See my point?

Note that Bob Arum is involved in both then ask yourself if its about money or the best fighting the best when fans want it.

My man, you can spin my post any way you want to see it but I just want to see the best fight the best in all of boxing.

So for all those so called "boxing fans" who think that a boxer's bank account and safety is more important then the best fighting the best please go and do us all a favour and watch a safe sport like golf.

A true boxing fan should want the best fights imo, I see too many posters on this forum saying that boxing is a business first so fighters should be trying to earn money instead of fighting the best fights out there.

Boxing is a combat sport, it isnt meant to be safe.

See the writing in bold, this is what I would like to see in boxing.

As fans we should want the best fights, I dont want to hear money, promoters, etc. Too many of you actually do sound like Bob Arum making excuses for all the bs politics in the sport.

[Rome-By-Ko]

I understand the money and politics and all I am saying is that as fans we shouldnt be happy with this.

Some people here even defend it like its the best way imaginable to run the sport.

I look upon them as pro athletes who should be going against the best opponents out there.

When teams in the NBA, NFL, NRL, AFL etc make it to the championship match they actually have to play and beat the best.

In the UFC they have to fight the best guy in the division to defend or get the championship belt.

While your right about the highlighted..Neither sport works like Boxing..In MMA the fighters are dictated to by the promoter,something how boxing used to be in the 40's and 50's(hell even into the 60's and 70's for some fighters)..Football NBA etc etc is in a tournament base..In boxing we had something like this,the Super Six..It was a big success and yes the best indeed fought the best..

Yet we all know boxing does not work like this,fights need to build at times in order to make the most money possible..At other times a split of the money could hurt a fight from being made etc etc..Fighters now have managers and a lot more say over their careers..Which they should have..

I understand fights not getting made can be very frustrating,but it's a part of business bro..Chalk it up to that and move on..Let's be honest as well,since about 2007 fans have got a lot of fights we've wanted..Not like the late 90's and early 2000's when you had names fighting bums on PPV no less..There are less PPV's and more fights that the fans can say ok solid scrap..

This happens in boxing,but usually works it self out and we get the fights we want..Patience is another good tool to use while following this sport..Hell I don't even think about Pac vs May anymore..I also blame them both for the fight not being made..

[JDD1]

My man, you can spin my post any way you want to see it but I just want to see the best fight the best in all of boxing.



See the writing in bold, this is what I would like to see in boxing.

As fans we should want the best fights, I dont want to hear money, promoters, etc. Too many of you actually do sound like Bob Arum making excuses for all the bs politics in the sport.

You can try and make the bolded the theme of your thread but I, nor others, are buying it.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

So for all those so called "boxing fans" who think that a boxer's bank account and safety is more important then the best fighting the best please go and do us all a favour and watch a safe sport like golf.

A true boxing fan should want the best fights imo, I see too many posters on this forum saying that boxing is a business first so fighters should be trying to earn money instead of fighting the best fights out there.

Boxing is a combat sport, it isnt meant to be safe.

Your viewpoints are naive and simply ignorant. It's not that the fans who are saying this dont' want the best fights, that's absurd. It's that they understand that it takes money to make fights and they don't just happen on their own.

I don't think you have the slightest clue to what it takes to put on a fight. There's incredible amounts of money involved, safety measures and licensing from all kinds of commissions.

In order for a fight to be made, the investors (that's what they are) need to make sure there is a return. Fights like Canelo vs Lara for example, needed time to grow with the casual fan base. It's a fight we have been wanting to see, but you have to sell tickets.

You don't seem to understand the first thing about the boxing business and it's obvious you just want to see the best fights which we all do.

[JDD1]

While your right about the highlighted..Neither sport works like Boxing..In MMA the fighters are dictated to by the promoter,something how boxing used to be in the 40's and 50's(hell even into the 60's and 70's for some fighters)..Football NBA etc etc is in a tournament base..In boxing we had something like this,the Super Six..It was a big success and yes the best indeed fought the best..

Yet we all know boxing does not work like this,fights need to build at times in order to make the most money possible..At other times a split of the money could hurt a fight from being made etc etc..Fighters now have managers and a lot more say over their careers..Which they should have..

I understand fights not getting made can be very frustrating,but it's a part of business bro..Chalk it up to that and move on..Let's be honest as well,since about 2007 fans have got a lot of fights we've wanted..Not like the late 90's and early 2000's when you had names fighting bums on PPV no less..There are less PPV's and more fights that the fans can say ok solid scrap..

This happens in boxing,but usually works it self out and we get the fights we want..Patience is another good tool to use while following this sport..Hell I don't even think about Pac vs May anymore..I also blame them both for the fight not being made..

Exactly rome. we're 6 months removed from a ppv with the 2 most anticipated fights of 2013on the same card. we're 3 months removed from the maidana broner fight and card. ESPN has a great HWT fight coming up.

no, we are not getting floyd v manny, stevenson v kovalev, ggg v ward or sergio. HBO's refusal to work with GBP and Haymon managed fighters also prevents fights we want.

How about the TS ask HBO why none of these are happening instead of pretending its because fighters are concerned about safety.

[Hougigo]

It's also a job....

[BigAlexSand]

So for all those so called "boxing fans" who think that a boxer's bank account and safety is more important then the best fighting the best please go and do us all a favour and watch a safe sport like golf.

A true boxing fan should want the best fights imo, I see too many posters on this forum saying that boxing is a business first so fighters should be trying to earn money instead of fighting the best fights out there.

Boxing is a combat sport, it isnt meant to be safe.

Have you ever Boxed.... I doubt it. Don't talk about what boxers "should do", unless you have experienced the fight game. I have boxed and he come from a family of boxers. My grandfather boxed in the late 20's - early 30's and had horrible problems from the sport (including alcoholism to cop)... my good friend who was a 2 time golden gloves champ, had a displaced retina in his 15th pro fight. I'm a huge boxing fan but I as a boxer and fan realize the risk these men take for our entertainment.

Get a clue and either enjoy the sport and men who literally sacrifice their life. Grow Up

[Ryn0]

UFC purses are comically low compared to that of top flight boxers.

MMA has a middle class, though, and boxing doesn't. you can chug along in MMA, whereas boxers are often either millionaires, or have second jobs.

They only have a relatively low purses because the UFC has a monopoly on MMA and the fact that the best fight each other so often means their marketability doesn't go down significantly after a loss.

I respect the UFC business model (not an MMA fan really btw) because unlike when Don King had a monopoly on boxing the UFC operates for its fighters you rarely see money skimmed off the top of mma fighters purses by the promoter leaving them with little. If you look at the figures UFC only really started making profit in 2007 but prior to this they still weren't short changing fighters.

I like that the UFC has a sustainable middle class, I honestly believe athletes should be educated as a requirement in finances also.

[shadow-boxer]

Have you ever Boxed.... I doubt it. Don't talk about what boxers "should do", unless you have experienced the fight game. I have boxed and he come from a family of boxers. My grandfather boxed in the late 20's - early 30's and had horrible problems from the sport (including alcoholism to cop)... my good friend who was a 2 time golden gloves champ, had a displaced retina in his 15th pro fight. I'm a huge boxing fan but I as a boxer and fan realize the risk these men take for our entertainment.

Get a clue and either enjoy the sport and men who literally sacrifice their life. Grow Up

Or get a kangaroo and ride into the sunset, taking your ****** post with you.