40 million fair deal or a bad joke(debate)?

[ADP02]

Please quote me, I haven't said anything about what Roach said in this thread or the thread actually about that until now to bring up that I haven't even talked about that. It is kind of an odd thing for Roach to offer up and I don't exactly see a reasoning behind why he would be untruthful there, where as when you are posturing for negotiation you could say almost anything. So it is not even close to the same.

For example do you remember when Manny said he would take less than 50/50, that was dumb because they could then use it against him in the actual negotiation. You never say what you want, you always ask for more.

This is all basic negotiations, you obviously don't get it.

They did not counter actually though to the 40 million dollar offer which this thread is about and everything I posted is based on, also what I was saying was my main issue was on this whole ordeal. Now was Floyd willing to move, or was he really willing to deal when he reached out (you have to kind of figure he is if he is reaching out), they never made the moves to check that out they just spun so suckers would take up for them~

YAY Manny way to do nothing to make the fight happen, but I still love you you are right to tell Floyd to get bent and act offended by a big offer instead of actually doing anything on that big offer trying to see if it would work~

You need to be truthful. It was NOT a serious offer made by Floyd.
When Floyd told Manny NO PPV MONEY, it was after this.

Back then Floyd was fighting once per year:
- 2008 - No fights for Floyd
- 2009 - Marquez
- 2010 - Mosley
- 2011 - Ortiz

and Manny was still going strong and had a few really good PPVs too.
2008 - Marquez, Diaz, Oscar
2009 - Hatton, Cotto
2010 - Clottey, Margarito
2011 - Mosley, Marquez

[The Gambler1981]

You need to be truthful. It was NOT a serious offer made by Floyd.
When Floyd told Manny NO PPV MONEY, it was after this.

Back then Floyd was fighting once per year:
- 2008 - No fights for Floyd
- 2009 - Marquez
- 2010 - Mosley
- 2011 - Ortiz

and Manny was still going strong and had a few really good PPVs too.
2008 - Marquez, Diaz, Oscar
2009 - Hatton, Cotto
2010 - Clottey, Margarito
2011 - Mosley, Marquez

They didn't talk that long and they really didn't negotiate. Floyd made an offer, Manny refused saying 50/50 and hung up the phone. Not talk to my people, 40 million sounds good but we need to really discuss this or anything that really left the door open. It should have been a starting point not an end of discussion, and if they actually tried and it didn't work whatever but they should have really tried, instead of just spinning and acting offended. That is not how you get things done~

I wasn't denying Manny was a big star but even then Floyd was bigger and I know all of that. It is still a huge pie (bigger then) and I still refuse to believe they can't find a way to cut it up if they really wanted to work at it

[ADP02]

They didn't talk that long and they really didn't negotiate. Floyd made an offer, Manny refused saying 50/50 and hung up the phone. Not talk to my people, 40 million sounds good but we need to really discuss this or anything that really left the door open. It should have been a starting point not an end of discussion, and if they actually tried and it didn't work whatever but they should have really tried, instead of just spinning and acting offended. That is not how you get things done~

I wasn't denying Manny was a big star but even then Floyd was bigger and I know all of that. It is still a huge pie (bigger then) and I still refuse to believe they can't find a way to cut it up if they really wanted to work at it

In 2009, Manny had the upper hand but didn't disrespect with crazy offers like that. People were thinking that Manny wouldn't accept 50/50 but he still accepted 50/50.

It was not serious by Floyd. Floyd knew Manny would say no. So what's the point, really? Floyd didn't want to fight Manny. Just a bit before that incident Floyd said "Manny YOU are NEXT .....then NO I NEVER SAID THAT"


$40 mill is huge but not when the pie can be $150 to $200 mill+

[The Gambler1981]

In 2009, Manny had the upper hand but didn't disrespect with crazy offers like that. People were thinking that Manny wouldn't accept 50/50 but he still accepted 50/50.

It was not serious by Floyd. Floyd knew Manny would say no. So what's the point, really? Floyd didn't want to fight Manny. Just a bit before that incident Floyd said "Manny YOU are NEXT .....then NO I NEVER SAID THAT"

The first part no, I don't recall anyone saying anything like that. Floyd even at that point was just as big. His fights with Oscar and Hatton were bigger and the JMM fight did only a bit short of the Cotto fight and exceeded almost everyone's expectations. 50/50 was the right number at that point and it has been drifting in Floyd's favor ever since.

They never found that out, you can think that and it was within Manny's teams power to prove he wasn't serious but they never did anything other than talk **** and complain about Floyd's effort instead of you know making an effort, which you are making excuses for them not making.

So you are happy Manny's team did **** to make anything happen at that point and just throwing blame on the other side, glad that is out in the open.

[The Gambler1981]

$40 mill is huge but not when the pie can be $150 to $200 mill+

Just for record the biggest fights ever push 200 million total revenue , which is basically a 100 million dollar pie (at the time it was even less Oscar Floyd split like 80) , so based on that 40 million is a fair guarantee even a bit high because asking a fight even one that looks like a sure thing to do the best ever is asking a lot. So if they split 100 and Manny gets 40 he would eb pulling 40% which would be fair, 60/40 probably would have got the job done and was relatively fair given where both were at. So if they split a 100 million what does it matter if Manny gets 40 million or 40%

The only way Manny does poorly is if the fight smashed the record, and I don't think that is that big a problem because if they really talked it out Manny would have ended up with a better offer that took care of that kind of situation.

[ADP02]

Just for record the biggest fights ever push 200 million total revenue , which is basically a 100 million dollar pie (at the time it was even less Oscar Floyd split like 80) , so based on that 40 million is a fair guarantee even a bit high because asking a fight even one that looks like a sure thing to do the best ever is asking a lot. So if they split 100 and Manny gets 40 he would eb pulling 40% which would be fair, 60/40 probably would have got the job done and was relatively fair given where both were at. So if they split a 100 million what does it matter if Manny gets 40 million or 40%

The only way Manny does poorly is if the fight smashed the record, and I don't think that is that big a problem because if they really talked it out Manny would have ended up with a better offer that took care of that kind of situation.

All estimates suggested that it would smash records. That is why a percentage is better than a flat rate. Floyd didn't want $45 nor $50 million guaranteed. Why? because of what I said ..... the potential was there.

[ADP02]

The first part no, I don't recall anyone saying anything like that. Floyd even at that point was just as big. His fights with Oscar and Hatton were bigger and the JMM fight did only a bit short of the Cotto fight and exceeded almost everyone's expectations. 50/50 was the right number at that point and it has been drifting in Floyd's favor ever since.

They never found that out, you can think that and it was within Manny's teams power to prove he wasn't serious but they never did anything other than talk **** and complain about Floyd's effort instead of you know making an effort, which you are making excuses for them not making.

So you are happy Manny's team did **** to make anything happen at that point and just throwing blame on the other side, glad that is out in the open.

Funny how you put it .... Floyd was just coming back from retirement and only had Marquez fight which did less than Manny vs Cotto. Then there were only 2 other fights for Floyd that did better but like I said, only 2 fights and the way you talk about the Marquez fight, well, Manny is very comparable to Floyd. So that is why the $40 mill flat rate was a joke. You need to man up. It was a joke. Not a serious offer. Yet, Floyd continued to tell us that he was serious about the $40 mill. He told all the media that he couldn't do less than I WANT ALL PPV MONEY.

Bob Costas said "How about your legacy"
Floyd said "Health comes first"
Bob's expression :

[The Gambler1981]

All estimates suggested that it would smash records. That is why a percentage is better than a flat rate. Floyd didn't want $45 nor $50 million guaranteed. Why? because of what I said ..... the potential was there.

Estimates are not sure things guaranteed purses are, but if they actually negotiated it out that would have been a fair point from Manny's side to make sure he got to take advantage if that situation took place. Floyd probably would have been accommodating in such a request because Manny if he gets a flat fee has no skin in the game to promote the fight he would be set, and for the fight to reach it's potential Manny would need to help promote it.

They never asked Floyd about 45 or 50 they just threw that out to the media, Floyd would have refused but they never really made that play, if they did at least that would be a counter offer but Floyd was clearly the a-side by that point so he was calling the shots. That is a false equivalency

[The Gambler1981]

Funny how you put it .... Floyd was just coming back from retirement and only had Marquez fight which did less than Manny vs Cotto. Then there were only 2 other fights for Floyd that did better but like I said, only 2 fights and the way you talk about the Marquez fight, well, Manny is very comparable to Floyd. So that is why the $40 mill flat rate was a joke. You need to man up. It was a joke. Not a serious offer. Floyd continued to tell us that he was serious about it. He told all the media that he couldn't do less than that.

Bob Costas said "How about your legacy"
Floyd said "Health comes first"
Bob's expression :

Yea but they were with common opponents and Floyd did a ****ton more with Oscar.

That has nothing to do with the flat fee at all.

It was a serious offer, I thought it then I think it now and nothing you have said has changed any of that, you have just spouted off random stuff making excuses for Manny. Now Manny was fine refusing it, as it was a first offer and you never accept a first offer, the problem was no follow up to even try to make something happen.

Why do you feel the need to give him a pass and make excuses for his side doing ****ing nothing, at that moment in time to make anything happen?

[Brandish]

So what because they are taking the SAME TEST by the company that FLOYD PICKED justified floyd trying to make manny do something that he has never done before. Again you miss the point it should have never been brought up in the first place but Floyd and his daddy put it out there long before they even negotiated the first time that manny was on something. Manny has never failed a test! but if manny was taking something that doesnt produce any Advantage in a fight but its on the banned list the fight would have been off! 50/50 chance? SO i guess you forgot the point of this thread about Floyd making a bs offer of 40 million with no gate and no ppv just a flat 40 million. Also Manny sent his guy to vegas to negotiate a deal but even then TOP RANK is mannys promoter. Floyd knows that so any deal was bs to begin with.

When Floyd stops acting like a child now using his 2014 excuse of he needs to fire bob arum then the fight will happen until then keep crying about 50/50 and 2010 and ost because after that you got nothing to defend floyd for not fighting manny.

you missed the point completely. you keep talking about banned substances on a list. floyd had no fear of testing for any banned substance, you know why, because it's all natural.

now manny on the other hand wasn't all natural hence your concern that he might get caught if tested more thoroughly.

that's the whole point of random testing to keep fighters clean they have a list of things they can take and not take if manny was on something on that usada list then i can see why he walked away from 50/50.