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Why Canelo vs Lara is a bad idea.
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Originally posted by Koba-Grozny View PostI'm kinda with you on this one. I just don't get the TS' point - like, this fight shouldn't happen because it might effect a possible future Lara - FMJ matchup? This is a good fight for me (and way better then Lara - Ishe) let's just see it made.
I never said the fight shouldnt happen. I just said Floyd vs Lara should be prioritized before a Canelo fight. Canelo can fight him anytime. Floyd cant fight Lara if he gets brutalized by Canelo. Canelo is so much bigger than this dude and WAAAY better than Perro.
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Originally posted by A-Wolf View PostDo not agree.
This is one triangle theory that will make people understand the true meaning of "styles make fights." Canelo is a strong talent with very good hands and piston speed and power but he's severely flatfooted. He does not go inside, does not collapse, does not apply pressure. He stays perpetually on the outside - disturbingly even when it's in his better interest to jump on his opponent.
Additionally, Canelo does not throw in high volume and is selective about his punching though he does have a varied arsenal and can unload beautifully with every punch in the book when he's given the opportunity.
Again though, and most importantly; he's just the opposite about how he likes to control real estate.
Angulo performed well against Lara because he is a high volume punching, come forward attacker with good power.
I'll save the bandwith going to details about why Lara will likely perform well. It should be pretty self explanatory.
This is Lara's fight to win. Team Canelo are friggin idiots IMO but I greatly admire them for taking this challenge.
Lets talk about Lara's overrated defense. People keep comparing hm to Rigo. Rigo is a defensive specialist. Lara is a slick runner. Rigo can step to the side, step back, move his head this way, that way, counter, slip, roll. Rigo can humiliate foes. Lara runs backwards, doesnt really move his head, relies solely on his range and footwork. Gets clipped by super slow guys that shouldnt even be able to graze him. Rigo, if a little taller would humiliate Perro.
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Originally posted by MurkaMan View PostThis wasnt my argument, but at the same time Canelo actually PRESSURED Perro. Canelo is WAAAY stronger than Perro, faster, sharper. Canelo is too big for 54, while Lara actually looks like a ww. This fight MAY prove that Lara is too small, like Im expecting, or that Canelo is too big. Canelo can land ONE of those fast ass punches, and it will rock Lara's world.
Lets talk about Lara's overrated defense. People keep comparing hm to Rigo. Rigo is a defensive specialist. Lara is a slick runner. Rigo can step to the side, step back, move his head this way, that way, counter, slip, roll. Rigo can humiliate foes. Lara runs backwards, doesnt really move his head, relies solely on his range and footwork. Gets clipped by super slow guys that shouldnt even be able to graze him. Rigo, if a little taller would humiliate Perro.
BTW Canelo is no bigger than Williams or Perro and he is definitely not stronger than Lara. Refs stop el Perro, Lara make el Perro quit. And trout fell the same power from both Canelo and Lara. What make Canelo so strong? Fat maybe?
Same height with Longer reach from Lara who is always in better shape. A bigger Canelo means a slower Canelo, and if he try to cut the ring with all that extra weight, that will just make him tired quicker.
Great fight but please stop over hyping Canelo power, he have face 2 true 154 lbs and non have been stop by his power even the one that was a punching back who didn't move was taking Canelo to 12 round until refs call the fight.
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Originally posted by MurkaMan View PostOnce this fight happens, Lara will take a bunch of punishment, win, lose, or draw. This fight will almost literally snatch Lara off the table for Floyd. One less credible opponent that Floyd COULD have fought. So then that leaves Molina who I put second behind Lara, and Molina really needs a big win before he can get their. Lara can fight Floyd today and it would be cool.
I never said the fight shouldnt happen. I just said Floyd vs Lara should be prioritized before a Canelo fight. Canelo can fight him anytime. Floyd cant fight Lara if he gets brutalized by Canelo. Canelo is so much bigger than this dude and WAAAY better than Perro.Last edited by Citizen Koba; 04-08-2014, 04:19 AM.
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tldr but the premise is good: floyd outclasses lara, but not so much that lara's length/size advantage is useless.
one of the only pbf fights on the possible horizon that i might pay to see...
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Originally posted by MurkaMan View PostThis wasnt my argument, but at the same time Canelo actually PRESSURED Perro. Canelo is WAAAY stronger than Perro, faster, sharper. Canelo is too big for 54, while Lara actually looks like a ww. This fight MAY prove that Lara is too small, like Im expecting, or that Canelo is too big. Canelo can land ONE of those fast ass punches, and it will rock Lara's world.
Lets talk about Lara's overrated defense. People keep comparing hm to Rigo. Rigo is a defensive specialist. Lara is a slick runner. Rigo can step to the side, step back, move his head this way, that way, counter, slip, roll. Rigo can humiliate foes. Lara runs backwards, doesnt really move his head, relies solely on his range and footwork. Gets clipped by super slow guys that shouldnt even be able to graze him. Rigo, if a little taller would humiliate Perro.
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Originally posted by HanzGruber View PostThere is really no point to fight ishe and risk the canelo fight. What if he hurts his hand or gets a bad eye cut. If the offer is there and fair then just take it now
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Originally posted by A-Wolf View PostYou repeatedly make references to the problems Angulo caused Lara in this thread and repeatedly make references to Canelo beating up and/or defeating Lara. You've been making your argument pretty clear. We'll see what happens come fight night.
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Originally posted by Koba-Grozny View PostWell...I guess if we're talking about how Erislandy could maximise his earnings (ie secure an FMJ fight) a loss (or particularly dominant win) miight not be his best route, but an FMJ fight simply can't be counted on anyway (just ask Khan) - Canelo probably brings the next best payday in the division and if the damn offer's on the table IMO Erislandy should just grab it - we've all seen how waiting can cost the big fights. Bird in the hand...?
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