Paulie: Pac not a good or smart fighter...

[Twako]

Is that a prerequisite for doing that, or is just being the better fighter. High ring intelligence is a great thing to have but it is not needed to have success as long as you get what you are good at which Manny does.

Plus second half the the Cotto fight Manny didn't look good as Cotto changed up his plan moving away, Barrera in the second fight made Manny look meh especially compared to the first fight, JMM don't need to say more, Mosley over matched but Manny couldn't really do much, Clottey same thing as Mosley, Bradley made him look very meh.

He comes on same way every time and does not approach things in a way that make things easier on himself, just because he has the ability to put the square peg through the round hole doesn't make him smart it just make him an excellent fighter who is very good at what he does.

cotto run in the second half. did you ever ask yourself what made him 'changed up his plan'? did trinidad looked good when oscar ran? lol.
barrera from the beginning fought only to survive, never engaged. when he did, manny almost KO'd him.
JMM? sure he gave manny fits. but at the same time jmm never decisively beat manny either till that KO. he always gets beat up, including up to the last round.
mosley ran ran ran... and ran.. for 9rds. see cotto.
clottey? what about clottey. you think mayweather would do better than what pac did? lol. clottey would've opened up against mayweather's 10punches/rnd.
bradley lost against an uninterested pac. pathetic

[animalfan10]

Malignaggi is the biggest con artist in the history of boxing. He's made considerably more money than someone of his talent (or lack of) should actually make, and he still continues to get opportunities and the sort of exposure that greater, more exciting talents out there would only dream of.


@ those 'efforts' against Hatton and Khan.

Maybe true, but he's a great announcer for sure. I love his analysis.

[Porter's Dad]

I don't see how he's a "very smart" fighter. Pacquaio approachs most of his fights the same way.

I don't see how doing what he did against Rios or Oscar show anything. And I wasn't too impressed with him against Bradley either although I thought he won relatively easily.

I didn't say he's got to where he has on physical gifts alone. He hasn't. But he sure as hell hasn't got to where he has due to his ring smarts.

How do you define ring smarts?

I understand Floyd and B-Hop are on another level to everyone else but I fail to see how Pac doesn't have a high ring IQ. He's an offensive fighter with good defence, he can fight on the front foot or backwards. He has tightened up his technique. He fought differently against Cotto to Oscar to Bradley to Rios. Freddie Roach says he and Pac come up with game plans together.

How is he not a smart fighter?

[The Gambler1981]

cotto run in the second half. did you ever ask yourself what made him 'changed up his plan'? did trinidad looked good when oscar ran? lol.
barrera from the beginning fought only to survive, never engaged. when he did, manny almost KO'd him.
JMM? sure he gave manny fits. but at the same time jmm never decisively beat manny either till that KO. he always gets beat up, including up to the last round.
mosley ran ran ran... and ran.. for 9rds. see cotto.
clottey? what about clottey. you think mayweather would do better than what pac did? lol. clottey would've opened up against mayweather's 10punches/rnd.
bradley lost against an uninterested pac. pathetic

Did Manny look his best in any of those situations I described, and did he do anything differently to make it easier on himself. No he fought the exact same way, he happened to be better so he still won with the exception of JMM but the point still stands.

Manny stayed within himself, which is him but being able to put the square peg through the round hole just makes him an excellent fighter not an intelligent one.

[A-Wolf]

would you guys consider marquez and bradley smarter fighters?

Smarter, no. Couldn't do that. These guys are doing completely different things. Take Bradley who has shown true brilliance at times consciously taking knees to save himself, altering his style and approach and occasionally making moves that only a boxing bright kid could come up with.

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Alternately he can be a (seemingly) mindless brawler constantly exposing himself to needless risk.

Marquez people know about. The man is a genius but he has his flaws.

They're all very intelligent fighters; Pacquiao, Marquez and Bradley. They're also all very willing to put themselves in harms way.

Unfortunately people's definition of "ring intelligence" is very limited.

[radioraheem]

How do you define ring smarts?

I understand Floyd and B-Hop are on another level to everyone else but I fail to see how Pac doesn't have a high ring IQ. He's an offensive fighter with good defence, he can fight on the front foot or backwards. He has tightened up his technique. He fought differently against Cotto to Oscar to Bradley to Rios. Freddie Roach says he and Pac come up with game plans together.

How is he not a smart fighter?

He hasn't fought differently against Cotto, nor Oscar. Nor did he fight differently against Bradley. He's fought the same way every fight. His speed, power, and southpaw stance is what gets him over in my opinion.

There is one fight though where he FINALLY tried to fight differently though, and that was with his last fight against Marquez. And it wasn't that he fought differently, it's just that he displayed a defense that he never had before with his head movement (I'm willing to bet Roach brought someone in to teach Pacquaio that, because it's a style that Roach doesn't teach). Too bad though that he still ended up getting KO'd.

And that's just it, he fights the same way, which is why Marquez was able to do that in the first place.

[bigcursedawg]

lol Pacquiao would destroy Malignaggi. I have no interest in seeing it though.

Manny couldn't even destroy a face first brawler like Rios. There's no way he destroys Paulie.

[Twako]

Did Manny look his best in any of those situations I described, and did he do anything differently to make it easier on himself. No he fought the exact same way, he happened to be better so he still won with the exception of JMM but the point still stands.

Manny stayed within himself, which is him but being able to put the square peg through the round hole just makes him an excellent fighter not an intelligent one.

you think all those fighters you named and he beat/KO'd were a lot smarter fighters than him? each fighter has his own style. can floyd do what pac did to cotto? you think he'd embarass clottey more? lol at you.

[A-Wolf]

Manny couldn't even destroy a face first brawler like Rios. There's no way he destroys Paulie.

lol ok man.

[IronDanHamza]

How do you define ring smarts?

I understand Floyd and B-Hop are on another level to everyone else but I fail to see how Pac doesn't have a high ring IQ. He's an offensive fighter with good defence, he can fight on the front foot or backwards. He has tightened up his technique. He fought differently against Cotto to Oscar to Bradley to Rios. Freddie Roach says he and Pac come up with game plans together.

How is he not a smart fighter?

I define ring smarts by out-thinking fighters, adjusting, etc Pacquaio doesn't really do that.

I wouldn't consider his defense "good" either I'd consider it decent at best.

I don't see how he has high Ring IQ. Obviously it's not non-existant but it's hardly through the roof. He's an explosive fighter with ridiculous speed in both foot and hand, power, athleticism, stamina. Without those gifts I don't see him out-thinking fighters.

I also don't see much difference in those performances you just mentioned other than going for the kill against Cotto and Oscar as opposed to the others.