Best resume at welterweight since the fab 4 era?

[ADP02]

Do I get you point? Honestly...no

What I said was every fighter in the poll has defeated fighters that started at lower weight classes....and most of the fighters in the poll didnt start at welterweight. That was my point

If you disagree with Floyd...Who would you select instead?

regardless of how many times they fought their, they earned their rankings at the weight.

On the 5 fighter with low welterweight fights...Everyone he fought at 147 were former or current belt holders or champions....Mitchell and marquez were not ranked.

Hatton was undefeated gave up the wba title at 147 but also started 10 pounds heavier as a pro and was the lineal champion at 140

mosley fought at 147 since around 2000, Ortiz outweighed him by 15 pounds and earned his ranking at 147, Judah didnt have very many fights at the weight when he fought Mayweather, but he did fight for the title 3 times by the time he fought them and started his career 10 pounds heavier than and earned his place at the top of the division.

You don't get it because you don't want to get it. You only criticize when it's the other guy who is doing it but you said things differently when it's Floyd.

I explained it several times to you. What is there not to get?

Hatton: was KING at 140. Tried at 147. Some say he lost but the key is he looked shaky and went back down. Came back up just to fight Floyd. Where did Hatton go after the Floyd fight? Back down to 140. Did I explain this enough?

Marquez: Never fought at WW prior to Floyd. You criticized Manny's version of Marquez as "unranked WW" but said Floyd's Marquez was" good at other divisions." See the difference. Did I explain this enough?

Ortiz: You see a title. I see someone that has not had an easy fight at WW. Was knocked down twice by Berto, was stopped in his other 3 fights at WW. Did I explain this enough?

I can go on but you will just come back and say "I honestly don't get it"

[therealpugilist]

You don't get it because you don't want to get it. You only criticize when it's the other guy who is doing it but you said things differently when it's Floyd.

I explained it several times to you. What is there not to get?

Hatton: was KING at 140. Tried at 147. Some say he lost but the key is he looked shaky and went back down. Came back up just to fight Floyd. Where did Hatton go after the Floyd fight? Back down to 140. Did I explain this enough?

Marquez: Never fought at WW prior to Floyd. You criticized Manny's version of Marquez as "unranked WW" but said Floyd's Marquez was" good at other divisions." See the difference. Did I explain this enough?

Ortiz: You see a title. I see someone that has not had an easy fight at WW. Was knocked down twice by Berto, was stopped in his other 3 fights at WW. Did I explain this enough?

I can go on but you will just come back and say "I honestly don't get it"

I still dont get it

I never hyped up Marquez...he was a tune up and 2 weight below and champion there.....He was unranked when he fought both of them. The manner in which he beat Marquez was a master class, but the fight was insgnificant in the greater scheme of things.

Its about when the fights took place and who won also....not what happened afterward that matters.

What happened before the fights is more important than what happened afterwards because losses affect fighters mentally and physically.

Look at Manny's opponents....Rios unranked, Marquez ko'ed him and was unranked, Bradley lost the first fight but got the nod, Mosley had not won in years and after went 1-2, Cotto did go on to win a title at 154 but before they fought Margarito beat the stuffing out of him.

the difference is Mayweather actually fights guys coming off huge wins, not questionable performances and losses. He hasnt fought someone coming off a lose since 2006 against Judah, that was 8 years ago

[ADP02]

I still dont get it

I never hyped up Marquez...he was a tune up and 2 weight below and champion there.....He was unranked when he fought both of them. The manner in which he beat Marquez was a master class, but the fight was insgnificant in the greater scheme of things.

Its about when the fights took place and who won also....not what happened afterward that matters.

What happened before the fights is more important than what happened afterwards because losses affect fighters mentally and physically.

Look at Manny's opponents....Rios unranked, Marquez ko'ed him and was unranked, Bradley lost the first fight but got the nod, Mosley had not won in years and after went 1-2, Cotto did go on to win a title at 154 but before they fought Margarito beat the stuffing out of him.

the difference is Mayweather actually fights guys coming off huge wins, not questionable performances and losses. He hasnt fought someone coming off a lose since 2006 against Judah, that was 8 years ago

I told you, it's useless. You will just come back and say "I dont' get it"

For Floyd, you mentioned Marquez as a positive not a negative like you did with Manny.
You bring up that it's important what they did before. Well, before Floyd, Marquez came up nearly 3 divisions yet against Manny, Marquez had already fought FLOYD! Can't get better than that, right? Manny also went down to 143lbs for that fight. Yet you mentioned it as a negative point for Manny and as you can read with your own eyes, you used it as a positive for Floyd:

"My vote goes to Mayweather, he has the best wins former lineal champions....Mosley, Baldomir, and Judah and former welterweight beltholders Hatton, Ortiz, and guys who won at multiple weights or other weights Guerrero, AND JMM" - therealpugilist

[therealpugilist]

I told you, it's useless. You will just come back and say "I dont' get it"

For Floyd, you mentioned Marquez as a positive not a negative like you did with Manny.
You bring up that it's important what they did before. Well, before Floyd, Marquez came up nearly 3 divisions yet against Manny, Marquez had already fought FLOYD! Can't get better than that, right? Manny also went down to 143lbs for that fight. Yet you mentioned it as a negative point for Manny and as you can read with your own eyes, you used it as a positive for Floyd:

"My vote goes to Mayweather, he has the best wins former lineal champions....Mosley, Baldomir, and Judah and former welterweight beltholders Hatton, Ortiz, and guys who won at multiple weights or other weights Guerrero, AND JMM" - therealpugilist

I didnt use it as anything, you took it how you wanted to take it


is he not a champion at multiple weights? Mayweather beat Marquez clearly, whereas in 4 fights Manny never did that...especially their fights over 140+. Marquez outboxed him in fight 3 and ko'ed manny in fight 4


Who has a better welterweight resume in your eyes between Manny and Mayweather and who do you think has the best one since the fab 4 era?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Oscar didn't deserve **** for the way he fought the last 4 rds of that fight. He ran away like a bozo to try and preserve his victory. That was disgraceful.

Oscar ran yes, but he still outboxed Tito 7 out of the first 9 rounds....

Plus oscar has wins over Ike, pernell, and even the Carr win is decent, nothing great but on par with Floyd beating Ortiz or ghost, and much better than any of Shane's title defenses

[Richard Wadd]

Manny has 19, Floyd 16, and Donald curry 1?

You suck. Roger Mayweather was right

[Zano-24]

Why are people fighting over Mayweather's resume at 147 compared to Manny's? Both their resumes at 147 are nothing but decent. Out of both of them the best win at 147 is Floyd's win over Mosley and that was only because Mosley was the man to beat at that time and YES Manny did duck Mosley after he defeated Margarito. But Floyd fought him and beat him while Mosley was hot. Lets not forget that ALOT of people were saying Mosley was going to KO Mayweather, even Roach and Arum. That is the only semi "great" win at 147 between the two of them. Other then that they both have decent wins over said opponents. Floyd has beaten higher ranked guys coming off a big wins at 147 while Manny has beaten big names that were coming off of major losses. So it KIND OF evens out. Floyd has a better resume but its not by a huge margin. Both their resumes are decent at 147.

[ADP02]

I didnt use it as anything, you took it how you wanted to take it

Compare your comments on Floyd vs Manny.

Remember that Floyd fought guys like Oscar and Mosley just a year before Manny.

Only with Manny do you point out that guys like Mosley is shot, hadn't won for 3 years, same with Oscar, guys aren't ranked, mentioning that Oscar hadn't fought in years, Cotto was in a war

BUT wasn't Floyd's opponents like Mosley, Ortiz, Marquez, Judah, .... also in wars? Wasn't Mosley who was also inactive when he faced Floyd, rusty as nails, OLD and way out of prime and using your math, hadn't won a fight in 2 years? He also continued to lose after Floyd? So must have been shot.

Yet, you never used those kind of adjectives to describe Floyd's opponents. Only to describe Manny's ... even though several opponents are one and the same!

You said "not important that guys like Ortiz lost 2 fights after Floyd" yet you mention that Mosley was "1-2 after losing to Manny"


CHECK YOUR Comment on Manny:
Manny....ODLH, MOSLEY were shot, Rios wasnt ranked, nor was Marquez, and Cotto was one fight removed from a controversial win and a beating

Mosley best wins at 147 are DLH, Margarito, Collazo and losses to Forrest Twice, Cotto, Mayweather and Manny

ODLH best wins Whitaker, Quartey, and losses to Tito(Robbery), Pacquaio when he was past prime and Mosley

Pacquaio best wins are ODLH( hadnt fought here in years and looked horrible before, during and after the fight)...Mosley who hadnt won a fight in like 3 years, Clottey who is decent and Cotto after the Margo battering, an unranked Marquez in a fight most people think he lost, kayoed by the same unranked Marquez, a controversial loss to Bradley

Look at Manny's opponents....Rios unranked, Marquez ko'ed him and was unranked, Bradley lost the first fight but got the nod, Mosley had not won in years and after went 1-2, Cotto did go on to win a title at 154 but before they fought Margarito beat the stuffing out of him.

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YOU ON FLOYD
Hatton was undefeated gave up the wba title at 147 but also started 10 pounds heavier as a pro and was the lineal champion at 140

mosley fought at 147 since around 2000, Ortiz outweighed him by 15 pounds and earned his ranking at 147, Judah didnt have very many fights at the weight when he fought Mayweather, but he did fight for the title 3 times by the time he fought them and started his career 10 pounds heavier than and earned his place at the top of the division.

"My vote goes to Mayweather, he has the best wins former lineal champions....Mosley, Baldomir, and Judah and former welterweight beltholders Hatton, Ortiz, and guys who won at multiple weights or other weights Guerrero, AND JMM" - therealpugilist

the difference is Mayweather actually fights guys coming off huge wins, not questionable performances and losses. He hasnt fought someone coming off a lose since 2006 against Judah, that was 8 years ago

[TOBYLEE1]

im sure you still didnt vote because as long as it isnt Mayweather, you are satisfied.

He has a case like the rest, thats why I named them.

Everyone on this list has wins over fighter who started at lower weights, ODLH, Mayweather, Whitaker, Pacquaio, and Mosley plus all were established fighters at lower weights themselves.

At least I can explain my opinion. You dont even have one because you didnt vote. So whats your point?


A loss is a loss...whether its close or by a mile

Trinidad did beat ODLH BUT it was a robbery IMO, best wins over washed up Camacho and Whitaker, then Campas and Blocker

Mosley best wins at 147 are DLH, Margarito, Collazo and losses to Forrest Twice, Cotto, Mayweather and Manny

ODLH best wins Whitaker, Quartey, and losses to Tito(Robbery), Pacquaio when he was past prime and Mosley

Pacquaio best wins are ODLH( hadnt fought here in years and looked horrible before, during and after the fight)...Mosley who hadnt won a fight in like 3 years, Clottey who is decent and Cotto after the Margo battering, an unranked Marquez in a fight most people think he lost, kayoed by the same unranked Marquez, a controversial loss to Bradley



Top resumes are Mayweather, DLH, Trinidad, and Whitaker

ODLH I thought that he lost to Whitaker and Quartey. IMO he beat Mosley in their second meeting. He gave the Trinidad fight away in the last 4 rounds. But he was the most willing to face the top opponents and had the chances to.

Mosley has a tainted past with the PED which makes me unsure about him.

Forrest was kept away from that party but the Mayorga loses really had set him back

[Ham Porter]

Donald Curry is the only guy on that list that well and truly established himself as the definitive number one in his division. He was genuinely an undisputed, unified champion and left zero arguments as to who the best in the division of that mid 80's period was.