Do you think Duran top 10 P4P list???

[oldgringo]

I've seen his fights, and I've read a hell of a lot about him.

You have seen his fights at welterweight?

I was pretty sure that footage was scarce.

Yogi??? Wanna help me out?

[WindUpMerchant]

That's not what p4p is though. P4P is how you matchup with different fighters once you move up in weight. I'm perplexed as to why you can mention Greb, Gans, Pep, Ali etc. who never moved up in weight, yet just because they fought valiently they are "p4p" fighters.

When making all time lists, you factor in how they did when moving up in weight, accomplish wise. At least that's what IBRO does, and they are class at ranking each division.

[WindUpMerchant]

You have seen his fights at welterweight?

I was pretty sure that footage was scarce.

Yogi??? Wanna help me out?

No, I don't believe there is any footage at welterweight. I must of misread, I was talking about his reign at middleweight.

[oldgringo]

That's not what p4p is though. P4P is how you matchup with different fighters once you move up in weight. I'm perplexed as to why you can mention Greb, Gans, Pep, Ali etc. who never moved up in weight, yet just because they fought valiently they are "p4p" fighters.

When making all time lists, you factor in how they did when moving up in weight, accomplish wise. At least that's what IBRO does, and they are class at ranking each division.

Greb DID move up in weight...several times.

Again, he beat heavyweights, Tunney, other light heavies when he himself was a natural middleweight...

[oldgringo]

No, I don't believe there is any footage at welterweight. I must of misread, I was talking about his reign at middleweight.

I've seen him fight at middleweight as well. He was a force to be reckoned with at that weight, and if he really was much better at 147 and 154 then thats just perplexing.

[WindUpMerchant]

I've seen him fight at middleweight as well. He was a force to be reckoned with at that weight, and if he really was much better at 147 and 154 then thats just perplexing.

What are you talking about?

[oldgringo]

What are you talking about?

carried away...

[WindUpMerchant]

He must of fought at super middlweight also huh?:lol:

[oldgringo]

He must of fought at super middlweight also huh?:lol:

166 actually

[WindUpMerchant]

Really? Was it sanctioned under the super-middlweight division?