Do you think Duran top 10 P4P list???

[oldgringo]

Really? Was it sanctioned under the super-middlweight division?

super middlefake division...

[WindUpMerchant]

I'm glad to see you've finally given up.

[oldgringo]

I'm glad to see you've finally given up.

I have the gun on the table right now.

[cple]

P4P has nothing to do with moving up in weight. Sure, it can help a fighter's p4p ranking, but the concept of p4p, or it's original intent, was how would two fighters of different weight classes fare against each other if they mythically weighed the same while retaining their skills, ability, and physical attributes relative to their natural weightclass. It has nothing with to do with moving up in weight class to me.

I would rank Marvin Hagler, who stayed at middleweight his whole career, over DLH, who moved up numeros times. Why? In a p4p matchup, i think Hagler would tear DLH up.

In my opinion, when discussing p4p matchups, the fighters should be viewed at their best. So when discussing Duran, you must take the lightweight version, not the 147 pound, 154 pound, or 160 pound Duran. Though it should be said once again that success in moving up in weight can improve p4p status.

[Yogi]

P4P has nothing to do with moving up in weight. Sure, it can help a fighter's p4p ranking, but the concept of p4p, or it's original intent, was how would two fighters of different weight classes fare against each other if they mythically weighed the same while retaining their skills, ability, and physical attributes relative to their natural weightclass. It has nothing with to do with moving up in weight class to me.

Exactly Cple!

The fighters who have success while moving up in weight do generally get bonus marks for those accomplishments in p4p discussions, but the 'pound-for-pound' term itself was intiated for the exact reasons you described...Heck, the earliest known fighter to be described as being the p4p best in the sport was Benny Leonard, who fought the vast majority of his career at Lightweight, and compared to other greats of his time, didn't nearly have the success or even frequented the weight divisions above his own all that much.

[WindUpMerchant]

I was under the impression that the 1st time a fighter was known to be "p4p" was with Jack Dempsey.

[WindUpMerchant]

I researched the topic, and yes you were correct Yogi.

[WindUpMerchant]

At least in our time, the term "p4p" is used to describe all of the fighter's who move up in weight and accomplish something doing it. I think this also has to do with the influx of twice the divisions though.

[Yogi]

You have seen his fights at welterweight?

I was pretty sure that footage was scarce.

Yogi??? Wanna help me out?

Gringo there is some footage of Robinson at Welterweight, but not a whole lot...I've seen a good portion of his 1950 Welterweight title defense against Charley Fusari and even have a short clip of that fight on my computer if you're interested in checking it out. I also know of footage of Robinson vs. Sammy Angott, but I've never seen it and have also heard the quality of the footage isn't all that impressive (if I'm remembering the discription of it it was filmed from a distance and had quite a bit of obvious water damage to it...the guy who had said you basically needed to be a hardcore collector if you were to purchase it, because from the quality it wasn't something you'd want if you're looking to get a good view of Robinson at that weight).

[WindUpMerchant]

This whole "p4p" crap is...well a bunch of crap, tbh. I always veiwed the ability to fight men of larger statue as the true meaning of pound per pound. Heck, theoretically thats STILL what it means.