Comments Thread For: Ward's Trainer: Golovkin-Chavez = Picking and Choosing

[hitking]

http://www.boxingscene.com/andre-war...-pounds--39200

"After the tournament, I want to face Lucian Bute. Nobody else comes to mind. However, I do not intend to underestimate any opponent, and first I need to focus on winning the tournament. If I win the tournament and beat Bute, it would be everything that I could achieve [at this weight]. Therefore, in the future I do intend to move up. I want to win titles and face the best. The tournament, organized by Showtime, gave me the opportunity to f!ght the best f!ghters in my category, and after its completion there won't be anything for me at this weight," Ward was quoted by Alexander Maldov.

He didn't say he would go to 75 for certain opponents and not others, which is what th guy I was responding to was saying. And what GGG is doing now.

[JJRod]

Thanks for the link. I'm not a fanboy so im not gonna defend Ward to the end of the earth like others on here with their fighters. I think Stevenson warrants a shot agaibst Ward, but also don't think Wards ducking. In your link Stevenson tried to dictate terms beforev any talks could even begin, that shxt ain't gonna fly.

But in response to your the Pac DLH fight, ya Pac had to move up bc he was the underdog. Ward is #2 in the world why should he have to move for Dawson? I do agree he can be hypocritical at times while trying to discredit others.. but he's still #2 p4p and shouldn't have to move out agree to anyone's terms but Floyds.

Yes, but being p4p doesn't mean anything. You have to be able to give in during negotiations. Mayweather was p4p number 1 and gave away to Oscar's demands.

Ward didn't want to fight Bute, Froch rematch, Stevenson, doesn't want to move up to 75, doesn't want to meet guys in the middle.
He wants to be the diva, but the problem is if you keep doing that you're not going to get fights. He's going to remain inactive as he's now, and eventually people will forget about him.

Winky Wright did this. He priced himself out of fights, acted like a Diva when he loss to Hopkins and drew with Taylor and eventually went into obscurity.

[hitking]

ward is the same guy that ducked bute and stevenson. pay no attention to this clown who only fights with hand-picked refs.

both fighters were deducted points at the same time. aka pointless.

the dawson fight happened after bute already lost. check your timeline. fighting the #1 contender in your division is more impressive than fighting a drained fighter but that's my opinion. if he went up to 175 i would agree but he didn't. after the super six everyone wanted ward to fight bute and it was the biggest money fight for him but he said bute didn't earn a shot, then again he just fought unknown edwin rodriguez for less money than the bute fight so its hard to track his contradictions.

hmmm lets see never? stevenson said he would fight him at 168. the same exact thing dawson just did but ward turned him down to fight rodriguez lol. he's a joke.

ward was trying to fight dmitri sartison........for millions of dollars. hbo is like ummmmmmmmm come on dude. then they gave him millions of dollars to fight edwin rodriguez which is still awful. hbo do the right thing and cut this fraud loose. save yourself the money and embarrassment of having clinchy-bear on your channel.

well he came back from injury to fight the lineal champ. you know the same guy you were just hyping up as a great win 5 minutes ago...

i think you explained it perfectly. also doesn't help that he hugs and grabs non-stop. if you hug and grab against other top guys people overlook it but when you duck the best in your division and hug and grab bums it's a joke.

ok thats fine but why isn't he fighting stevenson now then? he's got the bum out of the way and stevenson was ready. did ward hurt himself again while hugging for dear life?

no one likes ward. his ratings suck. i'm sure hbo would pay them well but then again they would make just as much or more fighting each other, and they don't have to worry about ward's hometown refs and constant clinching. its smart to freeze out the cheaters and leave them by the wayside complaining.

well that makes me a little happy

I said I would go to Oakland and fight Andre Ward at 168 and then we have the rematch at 175 in Montreal. I still haven't got a response from Andre Ward."

Ward, considered the No. 2 pound-for-pound pugilist in the world behind Floyd Mayweather, says Stevenson (21-1-0, 18 KOs) doesn’t have the track record to warrant a title fight.

The WBA super middleweight champion (26-0, 14 KOs) says Stevenson won’t get a shot until he has “won some big fights.”

so stevenson ko's a guy in 1 round that ward just ko'd in 10 and he still has to win some big fights but rodriguez who beat no one gets a shot? lol! ward said the same thing about bute. keep proving yourself while i duck and dodge.

all this ducking talk really doesn't matter does it? the good thing is that ward isn't fighting. lets see what would happen if he fought stevenson...stevenson tries to hit ward with a left hand and ward clinches. what would happen if he fought kovalev? kovalev tries to hit ward with a right hand and ward jumps into him with his shoulder. what would happen if he fought golovking? golovking tries to hit ward with a right hand and ward headbutts him and knocks him out cold. and still!

Not in damage control are we

[HeroBando]

Thanks for the link. I'm not a fanboy so im not gonna defend Ward to the end of the earth like others on here with their fighters. I think Stevenson warrants a shot agaibst Ward, but also don't think Wards ducking. In your link Stevenson tried to dictate terms beforev any talks could even begin, that shxt ain't gonna fly.

But in response to your the Pac DLH fight, ya Pac had to move up bc he was the underdog. Ward is #2 in the world why should he have to move for Dawson? I do agree he can be hypocritical at times while trying to discredit others.. but he's still #2 p4p and shouldn't have to move out agree to anyone's terms but Floyds.

Props man youre a good fan. The reason i brought up Pac Dlh is that Ward was recently discrediting that win because Dlh was in sorry shape going down in weight. Im just pointing out this is very similar to Ward Dawson just much much riskier for Pac. So while theres a lot to like about Ward, he should stop putting his foot in his mouth

[hitking]

Provide a link with Ward making GGG an offer or stfu

So why so butthurt when GGG wanted Floyd at 154? That's a lot more fair to sww champ Floyd, right?

Ahhh, the article we're currently commenting on makes it crystal clear that Ward is ready for whatever with the Tomato Canman.

As for GGG wanting Floyd. I thought GGG's mouthpiece said that GGG has an exclusive HBO contract, making it impossible to fight a GBP guy , especially one with an exclusive contract to fight on Showtime. I mean, that's what he said last week when Lara came calling. Or was it, I'll fight a welterweight at 54 but won't fight a legit jr middleweight, even if he comes to my division to make it happens. You know, GGG has a tendacy to be a bit selective and who he'll fight.

[antawain28]

Are you serious?

They [Golovkin's team] of course had no intention on leaving the MW division because there are more lucrative fights at MW. Fights with Sturm in Germany would be huge, the shot at the lineal champ Martinez is another. Yes, they had no reason at that time to want to jump to 168.

However, when the cash cow within those divisions calls your name, you jump on it and take the fight. Regardless of what you believe the more lucrative fight for GGG is the Chavez fight.

And don't think for a second that Ward wouldn't change his tune about Chavez if Chavez had called him out. Ward would leap for joy if his name was mentioned.

It is very hard to listen to people to try to defend this duck move. GGG's team said out of their own mouths that they are focusing on 160 and are not ready to move up when it came to fighting Ward. Then Jr comes and will fight GGG at 168 and they think about taking the fight if that is the case then the whole we are not ready to go to 168 we want to clean out 160 argument goes out of the window no matter how you slice. Then they said that Ward is not a big enough draw and so on and so on they just don't want the fight and should just come out and say it instead of making up all of these weak ass excuses and then say in the same breath we will fight ANYONE from 154-168 when they know its not true and for GGG to try to use that he isn't a big enough draw argument is insane since he is fighting guys like Adama, Rosado, Stevens and Lee and he only makes like 500k a fight where as Ward makes 2 Million before this Jr fight came up Ward would have been the best option money wise and profile wise for GGG

[jbpanama]

Ward wanted Mayweather at 160lbs lol but he isn't willing to chase a fight with GGG at 160lbs?
Go figure.

Ward will stay in Hybernation...Needs to Clean Up His Legal Issues,

and the G'man will Go to 168 For the Big $$$, with Jr.....

Ward, Should be Well Positioned to Call Out the Winner at 168,
For Big Bucks, that he can't find anywhere else....

[HeroBando]

Ahhh, the article we're currently commenting on makes it crystal clear that Ward is ready for whatever with the Tomato Canman.

As for GGG wanting Floyd. I thought GGG's mouthpiece said that GGG has an exclusive HBO contract, making it impossible to fight a GBP guy , especially one with an exclusive contract to fight on Showtime. I mean, that's what he said last week when Lara came calling. Or was it, I'll fight a welterweight at 54 but won't fight a legit jr middleweight, even if he comes to my division to make it happens. You know, GGG has a tendacy to be a bit selective and who he'll fight.

So why no offer?

So you think Floyd is a cherrypick for ggg at 154, where Floyd is 2x, reigning, lineal champ? Ok. But once again dumba$$, Floyd is the biggest money and exposure around. So for a prize that big they may risk pissing off Hbo or get them to work together as a one off

[JJRod]

It is very hard to listen to people to try to defend this duck move. GGG's team said out of their own mouths that they are focusing on 160 and are not ready to move up when it came to fighting Ward. Then Jr comes and will fight GGG at 168 and they think about taking the fight if that is the case then the whole we are not ready to go to 168 we want to clean out 160 argument goes out of the window no matter how you slice. Then they said that Ward is not a big enough draw and so on and so on they just don't want the fight and should just come out and say it instead of making up all of these weak ass excuses and then say in the same breath we will fight ANYONE from 154-168 when they know its not true and for GGG to try to use that he isn't a big enough draw argument is insane since he is fighting guys like Adama, Rosado, Stevens and Lee and he only makes like 500k a fight where as Ward makes 2 Million before this Jr fight came up Ward would have been the best option money wise and profile wise for GGG

You're a bit late to the argument as I and others have already addressed this, but I'll try again.
GGG and his team said they were taking a fight in April, and then waiting of the Martinez/Cotto winner. They wanted the lineal champ [Martinez] in a fight before they moved out of 160. This is why they remained campaigning at 160. With GGG not fighting due to his fathers death, I'm sure the plan was still to wait for Martinez at 160.

However, now that a new and probably unexpected opportunity has arose in a possible lucrative fight with Chavez Jr., it would be completely silly of GGG and his team not to take the fight, and only fools or haters would think he's taking a Chavez fight to duck Ward.

To prove my point I present to you to you the following scenario. Ward has refused to move from 168 to 175. Yet if Chavez Jr. asked him to fight at 175, you think Ward wouldn't move up to 175? Would you say then that Ward was ducking the guys at 175? I bet you would be singing a different tune.
He has also said he's willing to go down to 160 for Mayweather, but he won't go down to 160 for Martinez. Is it because he's ducking Martinez?
Do you now see the ridiculousness of your argument?

[jbpanama]

It is very hard to listen to people to try to defend this duck move. GGG's team said out of their own mouths that they are focusing on 160 and are not ready to move up when it came to fighting Ward. Then Jr comes and will fight GGG at 168 and they think about taking the fight if that is the case then the whole we are not ready to go to 168 we want to clean out 160 argument goes out of the window no matter how you slice. Then they said that Ward is not a big enough draw and so on and so on they just don't want the fight and should just come out and say it instead of making up all of these weak ass excuses and then say in the same breath we will fight ANYONE from 154-168 when they know its not true and for GGG to try to use that he isn't a big enough draw argument is insane since he is fighting guys like Adama, Rosado, Stevens and Lee and he only makes like 500k a fight where as Ward makes 2 Million before this Jr fight came up Ward would have been the best option money wise and profile wise for GGG

Hey, Amigo, Don't U think GGG should do the Smart thing,
and go for the Bread at 168, against Chavez Jr.???
U call this a Duck, Ha Ha!

Let Ward get His Legal Problems Square and Challenge the winner at 168!!!