Has Floyd fought someone as good as Chavez Sr and Leonard?

[Holywarrior]

you don't think prime for prime Chavez could beat Mosley at LW?
people piss on Mexican guys here and typecast them as sluggers
Chavez could box, he had inside game and movement
Mosley was lethal at LW but only against so so type guys
Chavez could outbox him, cut him off, and break him down
you're talking like Chavez was a plodder
Mosley wouldn't get owned but Chavez could definitely beat him
Oscar is a tougher match for Chavez than Mosley is
1st fight ended because an old cut was reopened quickly
by then he mighta lost anyway, but not in a blowout
and prime Chavez doesn't quit like he did in the WW rematch

Chavez didn't beat anyone at lightweight dude. Ramirez was a fcuking fossil. Other than that?

[BUNGALOWS]

Taylor wasn't as close to being as good as Casamayor, he'd stand still and get wrecked.

Camacho? Camacho's claim to fame was running away against Rosario. He was fast, k? Castillo would've run him out quicker than Rosario would've.

Casamayor was a great fighter, I agree, but that doesn't mean Chavez couldn't beat him.

Chavez was the bigger guy, so I'd definitely suspect he could beat Casamayor.

[Holywarrior]

Casamayor was a great fighter, I agree, but that doesn't mean Chavez couldn't beat him.

Chavez was the bigger guy, so I'd definitely suspect he could beat Casamayor.

Chavez isn't that big. he was 5'6 according to his son. I don't know how big Casamayor was but Chavez started out very very light as a fighter.

If Chavez was so big, he wouldn't have been considered too small at 140

[NearHypnos]

You seem to place a big emphasis on physical attributes yet both guys lost to smaller men in their careers.

It took a loong time for that to happen. So long I'm surprised you even mentioned it...

I think that as great as Sr was, there comes a time where someone is so good that the size difference tips the scale in a big way. I'm almost a sr nut hugger (from culiacan and all..) but it'd be silly to thing Chavez just runs through prime versions of Shane and Oscar.

Chavez vs Shane would have been a war but you have to wonder how much punishment Chavez would be able to take from a prime Shane (likewise for Oscar).


To answer the question Floyd has POTENTIALLY just as good a name as SRL and sr in Oscar and Shane. People forget just how good these two were and how long they were relevant... These guys were tearing it up as youngesters in the late 90s and were still HUGELY relevant in the mid 2000s! Thats a long time competing at the top level.. A very long time. Oscar and Shane fought everybody there was to fight and dared to be great. You think Floyd or Pac would fight dangerous GOOD fighters with relatively obscure names like ike and Winky? If there was a baddest dude in the division, these guys fought them and based on that I hold them damn near srl and sr and you could say they are their eras version of them to some extent.

Now... WHEN floyd beat them is a different story... I mean Joppy aint s hit just cuz he beat Duran lol

[Doctor_Tenma]

Oscar would have always been problematic for Chavez but to answer the question no.

[BUNGALOWS]

Chavez isn't that big. he was 5'6 according to his son. I don't know how big Casamayor was but Chavez started out very very light as a fighter.

If Chavez was so big, he wouldn't have been considered too small at 140

He was bigger than Casamayor, and based on the attributes of each fighter, I'd definitely give JCC the win.

He was the master ring cutter, and would brutalize Casamayor on the inside.

Are you trying to tell me that Casamayor would beat JCC?

[Sweet Pea 50]

Kev is the biggest ***ing ****** on this forum you should slap the *** out of yourself

Sounds like you have a fan, Kev.

[Jack Napier]

Chavez didn't beat anyone at lightweight dude. Ramirez was a fcuking fossil. Other than that?

Rosario and Ramirez were solid wins for Chavez
he just wasn't at LW for very long
we're simply talking about these guys in prime form
Mosley's only good win at LW was Holiday btw

[Furn]

Floyd is undefeated.

There's your answer right there.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Your massively underrating Chavez in this thread. The fact you rated all those guys above Chavez and think no version of Chavez beats Oscar is laughable. I don't if you base your whole opinion on him being viewed as a "brawler" or if you've really seen him fight, and I'm not talking YouTube highlights.

Chavez in his best years beats the **** out of Oscar and Mosley. He had great timing and a great inside game. It was remarkable to see him roll punches and had exceptional head and waist movement. For such an offensive fighter he was great defensively and rarely took any punishment in his prime. Offensively he was every bit as skilled in the manner in which he controlled distance and set up his punches with different variations. Every punch he threw had a purpose he was simply a highly skilled fighter whose skills are overlooked because of his aggressive style.

I've watched prime Chavez and I've seen nothing to suggest the bold happens, even winning isn't a guarantee. Besides Oscar's boxing ability, Mosley had one of the best combinations of speed, power and durability I've ever seen.

In the second bold, Chavez is more skilled in my opinion but the more skilled fighter doesn't always win. Better both offensively, defensively and smarter as well.