I agree with Vitali's views, on Europe, reform etc. However, I will not use that as an excuse to say Vitali is right... or is the "good guy" in this. He has a political agenda which he is pursuing, not defending the people. Many people in Ukraine do not support his views
That **** ain't no joke. You think that won't happen here at home? Watch them trash the 2nd ********* and try to confiscate legal guns from rightful owners. They are getting ready to turn it up on us. Look up "Military builds fake city in ******ia for training" see the video. Also, military has been doing joint exercises with police in cities. They're getting ready for civil war here at home. "Infowars.com" Get informed.
Rodney king scenario was pretty ugly... imagine if o.j a national football hero got convicted. it would have made Rodney king riots look small. he can thank Rodney for him not getting charged in criminal court. he was guilty in in civil court though.
I respect Vitali for standing up for what he believes in, but it seems very dangerous if you ask me. But who are we to wish he stays away from it, we do not share his passion on the subject, it would just be a shame if he came under any serious harm during these riots.
Respect though, he is there for what he believes in in spite of no doubt putting a target on his back in doing so.
I agree with Vitali's views, on Europe, reform etc. However, I will not use that as an excuse to say Vitali is right... or is the "good guy" in this. He has a political agenda which he is pursuing, not defending the people. Many people in Ukraine do not support his views
Kinda this ^. Vitali has an agenda, which might not be the same as that of those who are backing and funding the Ukrainian uprising. I personally think that Vitali genuinely believes he is doing the best thing for himself and his country, but whether he is or not, only time will tell. What is certain is that there are powerful economic and political interests backing both sides in the conflict who are probably less concerned with the needs of the Ukrainian populace than their own power and wealth.
Call me a cynic, but when the dust settles I expect the 'people' of Ukraine will find their lives substantially unchanged but possibly with a different set of faces on the news.
Also FWIW I find it disturbing that Western European political figures have actually endorsed and even attended the protests - in effect helping to destabilise a soveregn state and potentially undermine the ********ic process in a way that would never be condoned in their own countries.
Last edited by Citizen Koba; 02-19-2014, 08:29 AM.
Silence is tacit acceptance. Vitali, and his UDAR members, are not publicly trying to disperse the rioters, hence, are complicit. Yanukovich has said the rioters must leave Maidan before more talks can begin. That can't be unreasonable?
My understanding of this situation is that there were no rioters and no riot until the authorities used force to try and disperse a peaceful protest.
Last year I watched a BBC news report which showed Vitali helping to prevent a riot from occurring by addressing both police and demonstrators over a microphone, which I believe was given to him by the police themselves, and urging both sides to keep things peaceful.
That was a much smaller demonstration though. When an event the size of this one starts getting ugly, there's nothing that one man can do to prevent it from happening. Not even a man as big and well respected as Vitali.
"Political activism" is not encouraging violence. You do know what "politics" means? You're not that basic are you?
Qoute: Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
You're kinda looking at things very narrowly. You're probably comfortable in that little box you call home wherever youre living because you're happy with your government. If you're American I feel sorry for you, you guys believe in their politics and they never deliver they're ruining your country to satisfy a few elite. If you're not American, can't believe you don't at least understand
Qoute: Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.
You're kinda looking at things very narrowly. You're probably comfortable in that little box you call home wherever youre living because you're happy with your government. If you're American I feel sorry for you, you guys believe in their politics and they never deliver they're ruining your country to satisfy a few elite. If you're not American, can't believe you don't at least understand
Your post is really funny. So many make these stereotypical comments. If i told you i was very happy with my government, that as man, i am self-governed, you do not understand what i write.
i hold fast to the assertion the rioters are not achieving much, if anything, positive, nor shall they. They need to learn how to make that State less relevant. But, instead of learning, those men shout, throw, hit and burn.
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