Eubank: How I would've beaten a peak RJJ!

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Eubank was an excellent fighter in his prime but he's barely touching the HOF while Jones is an ATG.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I named him against top fighters and while he was in his prime I might add. So now, was his prime 25-30 or not?

Bernard Hopkins was 30 when he fought Mercado

[richardt]

Bernard Hopkins was 30 when he fought Mercado

I said pick the best fighters they fought and Watson was one of the best fighters Eubank fought and he had a majority decision over him.

We are not talking about the opponents opponent's, that's two levels down, we are talking about the opponent directly. Mercado never fought Jones. If you are going to go two levels deep and use Mercado who at least was a solid contender, than I will bring up James Cooke who was 9-5-0 who beat Watson. We are not talking 2 levels deep, we are talking 1. Jones beat a top level Hopkins and beat him decisively, one of Jones top opponents. Eubanks beat a top level Watson who is not mentioned in the same breath as Hopkins and he had a split decision. IN THIER PRIMES, Jones dominated guys who were better than the guys that Eubank had more difficulty with.

Jones is better than Eubank, is a higher ranked ATG, and would be picked to beat Eubank, and his opposition was higher than Eubank's. The best guys Eubank fought were not as good as the best guys Jones fought. It is what it is and the overwhelming majority would agree.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Jones is better than Eubank, is a higher ranked ATG, and would be picked to beat Eubank, and his opposition was higher than Eubank's. The best guys Eubank fought were not as good as the best guys Jones fought. It is what it is and the overwhelming majority would agree.

I don't think I disagreed with much of that. I just question your reasoning. A potential fight is based on styles not on who someone beat or where they're ranked all time.

I have yet to see you give a style breakdown of a potential fight between Eubank and Jones. Instead all I've seen is **** like "Eubank lost to Collins lolz.. how does he beat Super Roy" or frantic boxrec scowering to pick holes in resumes whilst complaining that others are doing the same.

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Eubank was an excellent fighter in his prime but he's barely touching the HOF while Jones is an ATG.

Words and letters.

[coghaugen]

Eubank was an excellent fighter in his prime but he's barely touching the HOF while Jones is an ATG.

I said pick the best fighters they fought and Watson was one of the best fighters Eubank fought and he had a majority decision over him.

We are not talking about the opponents opponent's, that's two levels down, we are talking about the opponent directly. Mercado never fought Jones. If you are going to go two levels deep and use Mercado who at least was a solid contender, than I will bring up James Cooke who was 9-5-0 who beat Watson. We are not talking 2 levels deep, we are talking 1. Jones beat a top level Hopkins and beat him decisively, one of Jones top opponents. Eubanks beat a top level Watson who is not mentioned in the same breath as Hopkins and he had a split decision. IN THIER PRIMES, Jones dominated guys who were better than the guys that Eubank had more difficulty with.

Jones is better than Eubank, is a higher ranked ATG, and would be picked to beat Eubank, and his opposition was higher than Eubank's. The best guys Eubank fought were not as good as the best guys Jones fought. It is what it is and the overwhelming majority would agree.

Hopkins lost to Clinton Mitchell. Idiot.

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This is laughable

ONE of the things Naseem Hamed has been hearing since a salutary experience against Kevin Kelley in New York last December is whether he wants to be remembered as a truly great fighter.

Brendan Ingle, the Irishman who has trained Hamed since thrilling to the potential seen in a 12-year-old outfighting larger boys on a Sheffield street corner, has asked him to think about the judgement of history.

If Ingle still has work to do on this - the disciplined performance Hamed gave at the Nynex Arena in Manchester late on Saturday when stopping Wilfredo Vasquez in seven rounds to retain the World Boxing Organisation title was encouraging - he can refer to the respect Chris Eubank gained in an earlier contest. Shortly before Hamed went to his corner against the 37-year-old Puerto Rican who has held three world championships, Ingle held out admiration for Eubank in a brief conversation we had at ringside. At a press conference, fired up by Eubank's remarks, Ingle referred to him as a phoney. Now, he had nothing but praise for him. He asked: "Have you ever seen such guts?" Eubank once wore Hamed's mantle of self adoration, the hard contests he had against Michael Watson, Nigel Benn and Steve Collins less significant in the public's mind than ludicrous if profitable posturing. As Eubank's career draws to a close - the punishment taken in an unsuccessful attempt to wrest the WBO cruiserweight title from Carl Thompson should bring about retirement - he is more endearing. "I take back everything I've ever said about him," Larry Merchant of the American cable television network Home Box Office said, now wishing he had approved Eubank's fight for his network. The former heavyweight champion George Foreman thought Eubank's performance was heroic. Giving away more than half a stone, Eubank showed a warrior's mettle, fighting with such spirit that he caught Thompson with a left hook in the second round that brought the prospect of victory until he chose to stand off the visibly stunned champion. Eubank, who also dropped Thompson in the fourth, paid dearly for this perverse extravagance, finishing with his right eye completely closed and spitting blood. He had never been in such pain or looked more ring- soiled. Eubank spent the night under observation in hospital, after undergoing a brain scan, and referee Roy Francis said he contemplated stopping the fight: "It was a dilemma but I had to give Chris every chance. It makes me feel like weeping; he's a guy I like so much." In choosing to shape his career at middle and super-middleweight around a series of contrived defences against no-hopers, contests that did not require him to train diligently (and in putting the sport down as purely a business), Eubank sold himself short when he could have been fighter of the decade. That estimate was once neatly put when Eubank's promoter at the time, Barry Hearn, was asked to think about a unifying bout against the WBA champion, Mike McCallum. "What would he bring?" Hearn asked, meaning returns at the box office. "Danger," someone said. At that time danger did not appear to figure on Eubank's agenda. Despite titanic struggles against Benn and Watson, his career was more promotion than substance. Last October's unsuccessful attempt to win the vacant WBO super- middleweight championship against Joe Calzaghe and a further loss on Saturday has altered perceptions of Eubank, especially among his peers. Ingle was thinking about this when he reflected further on what the future could hold for Hamed. "Eubank could have made so much more of himself," he said. "Since the fight against Kelley I've asked Naz to consider that he has the talent to be up there with the best there has ever been. There's more to being successful in boxing than fame and wealth. And it's in Naz's hands." Of Eubank, Ingle added: "That guy had the ability at times to deliver punches that were better than any you ever saw in there, but the guy just didn't want to know." Seth Abraham of HBO, who have Hamed under contract, sees no limit to the Sheffield fighter's potential. Selling a bill of goods maybe, but Abraham thrills to Naseem's personality. "He's blessed because there are some great fights out there," he said. "Like Muhammad Ali he brings fun to boxing." Hamed's next contest is planned for Madison Square Garden, New York, in July, possibly a return against Kelley, maybe a match-up with Kennedy McKinney. Saturday's contest - interrupted when the ring ropes collapsed in the sixth round - found Hamed more circumspect than in most previous contests. Chastened by the knock- downs, he had to recover from against Kelley, boxing out of a southpaw stance, he went about the job sensibly. "Hamed's principal assets are natural speed and power - he's an excellent fighter," Vasquez said. Excellence was in the swiftness of execution. By the time a halt was called to the contest Vasquez had been down four times and was looking old enough to be Hamed's father. He had landed some pretty good shots of his own, causing Frank ****** to admonish Hamed when calling him to the apron while the ropes were being repaired. "Keep your hands up," ****** said sharply. Hamed's hands were soon being employed in more offensive fashion. Concentrating on single shots, he sent Vasquez over with a left hook and the Puerto Rican went down again from a flurry of blows. When Vasquez came under another bombardment, it was over.

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This is laughable

"Listen, let's not joke about it, Eubank were fantastic on the night. I don't think there were many super middleweights alive, at that time of his life, on that night that could have beaten him. Because he knew he had to win, which was a credit to me. I can look back now and say he had to be in that position because he trained hard, he trained hard for me. So that was good that he took me as a real threat, even though he threw it back in my face by hitting me so hard! [laughs].
"He's an absolutely tremendous boxer, absolutely fantastic fighter, a fighting machine, he really was. And after all his joking about and his antics, he were good, good at what he did. People couldn't understand him, and I couldn't understand him, but looking at the boxing side of it, he was really, really class.
"A lot of people out there are looking for their legacy, and he was a fighter that could have made his own legacy. In America he's pretty much an unknown. Benn is better known because he took on Iran Barkley and Doug DeWitt, so he took them all did Benn. But if Eubank had took less fights and done that, then he could have been classed as the best ever. He were that good. He would have been in your top five of all time. I tell you, a great, classic fighter was Eubank."
-Henry Wharton

[Chrismart]

Eubank really was a great fighter...underrated on here for sure.
He gives Jones trouble, but i'd pick a prime RJJ to win.

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Words and letters.

Umm ditto?