How many pro fights does Lomachenko have?

[Russian Crushin]

It doesn't get more clear than that does it? Just like Barthelemy breaking the rules.


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And where in the official boxing rule book does it state this? This is a quote from a writer from Yahoo. There is no clear cut rule defining what a pro is, there simply isnt. There only thing i can think of is if the overseeing "commission" declares it as one

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

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They're counted. Just ask the American Olympians with losses on their records.


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Take it up with the relevant boxing bodies. The boxers should protest. How can someone have a loss on his pro record yet the guy who beat him doesn't have a win? You sure that's right? I can't be bothered to boxrec

Competing in the World Series of Boxing impacted the records of many 2012 Olympians, including American Joseph Diaz Jr. and Raushee Warren, Mexican Oscar Valdez and Lomachenko.

Idk why they listed Lomachenko cause he was listed as 0-0 on his debut as to where the other guys weren't.


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[New England]

I don't know what WSB is.

What is it?

i hate it


last i checked, it was a team based international boxing league that matched top amateurs from each country's boxing "team."

they use no headgear.

two countries would be matched. the two flyweights fight. then the bantams. then the FW. and so on. the team with the most fights wins. i think there's a tournament later on to determine a winning team. i could be mistaken about that.

the idea was that they'd keep their amateur eligibility while making some money.

on paper, it sounds great. the fights aren't terrific, though. i've seen a couple of good scraps, but for the most part they're pretty forgettable.

i'd rather see these guys turn pro, develop, and fight when they're finished products.

[IronDanHamza]

i hate it


last i checked, it was a team based international boxing league that matched top amateurs from each country's boxing team.

the idea was that they'd keep their amateur eligibility while making some money.

on paper, it sounds great. the fights aren't terrific, though. i've seen a couple of good scraps, but for the most part they're pretty forgettable.

i'd rather see these guys turn pro, develop, and fight when they're finished products.

Are they Pro fights or Amateur fights? I don't really understand

I don't follow Amateur Boxing in any way, shape or form but they don't really sound like Amateur fights.

Are they point systems?

[Citizen Koba]

No, pro fights are sanctioned by pro sanctioning bodies. These guys were both told they weren't considered pro fights and they were not recognised by any of the professional sanctioning bodies - the WSB could have propelled several of the fighters into top 20 pro ranks given the quality of opposition. If they received no credit or acknowledgement from the professional sanctioning bodies they ain't pro fights.

It's like saying if a guy had 20 unlicensed fights that happened to be fought under pro rules in a darkened warehouse somewhere he'd have a 20 fight resume.

A lot of these guys would never have considered entering into such a tournament if they hadn't been assured these were not considered pro fights. The efforts to describe these as pro fights is a political move solely aimed at undermining AIBAs efforts to impinge on the perceived territory of the interests of professional boxing. The only place it has even been suggested these are pro fights is in the US.

The reality has been that for decades all the top ams were effectively 'paid' in terms of grants, sponsership and other forms of support.

[New England]

Are they Pro fights or Amateur fights? I don't really understand

I don't follow Amateur Boxing in any way, shape or form but they don't really sound like Amateur fights.

Are they point systems?

they're scored on a ten point must.

some guys who have been in the WSB have their pro records showing their WSB fights, and others don't

i don't think they're going to be recognized as pro bouts by most commissions.

[New England]

No, pro fights are sanctioned by pro sanctioning bodies. These guys were both told they weren't considered pro fights and they were not recognised by any of the professional sanctioning bodies - the WSB could have propelled several of the fighters into top 20 pro ranks given the quality of opposition. If they received no credit or acknowledgement from the professional sanctioning bodies they ain't pro fights.

It's like saying if a guy had 20 unlicensed fights that happened to be fought under pro rules in a darkened warehouse somewhere he'd have a 20 fight resume.

A lot of these guys would never have considered entering into such a tournament if they hadn't been assured these were not considered pro fights. The efforts to describe these as pro fights is a political move solely aimed at undermining AIBAs efforts to impinge on the perceived territory of the interests of professional boxing. The only place it has even been suggested these are pro fights is in the US.

The reality has been that for decades all the top ams were effectively 'paid' in terms of grants, sponsership and other forms of support.

absolutely on the bold. it's getting much, much worse from what i'm hearing.

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It doesn't get more clear than that does it? Just like Barthelemy breaking the rules.


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And where in the official boxing rule book does it state this? This is a quote from a writer from Yahoo. There is no clear cut rule defining what a pro is, there simply isnt. There only thing i can think of is if the overseeing "commission" declares it as one

Let me make it real simple for you.

Basketball/Football players, they aren't PROFESSIONALS till they get to the NBA/NFL and get PAID for it right?

Amateur boxers, they aren't considered PROFESSIONALS till they take off the headgear and get PAID right?

Now lets talk about the WSB. They don't use headgear and get PAID. See the similarities? Or we can play dumb and say they aren't pro bouts.

Let me also ask you this, why is it that Lomachenko was 0-0 on his debut when the other fighters I listed had a previous record from fighting in the WSB?


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[ShoulderRoll]

That's the way I thought it was. If you get paid to fight you are a professional.

[Russian Crushin]

Let me make it real simple for you.

Basketball/Football players, they aren't PROFESSIONALS till they get to the NBA/NFL and get PAID for it right?

Amateur boxers, they aren't considered PROFESSIONALS till they take off the headgear and get PAID right?

Now lets talk about the WSB. They don't use headgear and get PAID. See the similarities? Or we can play dumb and say they aren't pro bouts.

Let me also ask you this, why is it that Lomachenko was 0-0 on his debut when the other fighters I listed had a previous record from fighting in the WSB?


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Simply getting paid doesnt make boxers pros. Lomachenko got paid $100K for each of his gold medal, was he a pro. Also amateurs from now on will not wear head gear, will they be pros?

Who listed those guys record? Look at GBP's shows with american olympians and their records from the WSB dont count