How many pro fights does Lomachenko have?

[Bronard]

It's such a simple concept. They're getting paid therefore they're pro fights. Easy.

[New England]

The definition of a professional is also wearing gloves that you can close your fists in...... so you can you know, knock your opponents out.


WSB is a semi-pro slapping contest.

i diddn't see lord lomo blast anybody out in the WSB.
he clearly had power with pro gloves. that left uppercut bodyshot had f#cking gas on it. dude rolled around like somebody lit him on fire!

lomachenko claimed explicitly that you weren't able to close your hand and use your knuckles to make contact. anybody who has boxed knows that it's your knuckles that address a target when you're power punching. you feel them make contact with your target. a big puncher will put his knuckles on you, and you'll feel them. if you can't close your fist, you can't use your knuckles.

[DannYankee]

The definition of a professional is also wearing gloves that you can close your fists in...... so you can you know, knock your opponents out.


WSB is a semi-pro slapping contest.

I seen enough WSB bouts to have seen people get knocked the fk out in those slap happy gloves so maybe it wasn't the glove to blame but lack of power behind them cause other people sure as **** seem to have either their fists closed or some hell of a slap. And if paid = Professional bout the rest are semantics.

[New England]

It's such a simple concept. They're getting paid therefore they're pro fights. Easy.

it is not a simple concept.

virtually all top amateurs are paid in one way or another, whether it's through allowances, grants, sponsorships.

how the hell do you think some of these guys remain amateurs for so long?

[Russian Crushin]

BS. They knew they were getting paid. So you're telling me they were naive enough to think they were having AM bouts?


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Simply getting paid does not make you a "pro" boxer. I just explained to you how lomachenko got paid $100K for each of his gold medals.

[Citizen Koba]

BS. They knew they were getting paid. So you're telling me they were naive enough to think they were having AM bouts?


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Read my previous posts. AIBA was technically correct in telling them their fights shouldn't have been considered pro fights.

It's FightFax that changed their rules - presumably due to political pressure to undermine AIBAs efforts.

These are amateur fighters for whom AIBA has been the sole authority throughout their careers - of course they would believe what AIBA said - and they were technically right to at the time.

Nonetheless, AIBA should have obtained some kinda guarantees from Fightfax first however - some kind of backlash was entirely predictable.

[Dr Rumack]

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The Association of Boxing Commissions (ABC) ruled that, effective May 1, 1994, any bouts held without the supervision of a state commission would be declared exhibition only and would not be counted on the official records of participants. As of January 1, 1997, it is a violation of federal law to have a boxing show without the supervision of a state commission and or tribal commission or the ABC. The reasons behind this measure are many - all of them good. Our policy is not to list exhibitions on records. However, results of some of these non-commission contests have reached print, so we felt it necessary to list them on records to make clear which bouts reported are counted, and which are not. If you see bouts reported that do not show on our records as official bouts or with the designation NSF, demand to know the "official" source of the information. While some may disagree with the ABC's ruling, we feel it is most proper - for safety and accuracy reasons. We can thin of no other professional sport where a manager, promoter or participant reports a result and that result goes into an official record. This practice has taken place in boxing alone for years, and the ABC's ruling has put a stop to it. We are proud to honor the ruling.



In short the WSB bouts held without the oversight of a state commission were clearly 'exhibition bouts only' according to their own rules. In fact technically the WSB would have to be considered illegal in the US - if they were considered pro bouts - does that warrant a Q.E.D?

As I said...political maneuvering to undermine AIBA (and I'm not taking sides on this - both Pro and am boxing have a lot to learn from each other - I just don't want to see Careers harmed by this s#it).

Best post in the thread. Surely what matters here is what constitutes a fighter's 'official' record, who has the authority to decide what that is, and what the administrative criteria for an official bout is. Not what type of gloves they use.

[New England]

Best post in the thread. Surely what matters here is what constitutes a fighter's 'official' record, who has the authority to decide what that is, and what the administrative criteria for an official bout is. Not what type of gloves they use.

gloves are certainly relevant, rheumy. WSB gloves make for a completely different sport.

if you're boxing pro you're required to use 8 oz from WW down, and 10 from JMW up. you're not following the rules [criteria] of pro boxing if you're fighting at 154 with a 12 oz glove

[M Bison]

iF HE GOT PAYEDAND WORE NO HEADGEAR.....IT WAS A PRO FIGHT

When you going to pay?

[BendOver]

i diddn't see lord lomo blast anybody out in the WSB.
he clearly had power with pro gloves. that left uppercut bodyshot had f#cking gas on it. dude rolled around like somebody lit him on fire!

lomachenko claimed explicitly that you weren't able to close your hand and use your knuckles to make contact. anybody who has boxed knows that it's your knuckles that address a target when you're power punching. you feel them make contact with your target. a big puncher will put his knuckles on you, and you'll feel them. if you can't close your fist, you can't use your knuckles.

If you can't close your hands you will brake them for sure, unless you just touching the opponent, anyone that had put a pair of gloves knows this...