How many pro fights does Lomachenko have?

[ShoulderRoll]

Were the fighters paid for their WSB bouts, though?

[Citizen Koba]

It is...that defines being amateur or pro...the fact that the event itself is paying you. Sponserships, Grants, and what have you don't count. If you're competing in an event and getting paid to do so....it's a professional event. Works in all sports that way...be it contact, combat, intellectual, or e-sports. That's almost the entire distinction between pro and amateur....

BTW it's set up deliberately so the fighters' contracts promised salaries, housing and access to training facilities (similar to what would happen under sponsership) rather than being paid by the event as in 'normal' prize-fighting.

[BendOver]

WSB gloves are very different from pro gloves. you can hardly make a fist. WSB gloves are 10 oz up to light WW, and 12 oz from WW and beyond.

a welterweight in the WSB will have 50% more weight in his glove than he would in a pro fight with an 8 oz glove.

they also use different rules for how the hand can be wrapped.

http://www.aiba.org/documents/site1/docs/Rules/WSB%20Competition%20Rules%20-%20August%2023%202013.pdf

these are the official rules of the WSB.

Let me see, 2OZ is not 50% of 8OZ, it is 25%

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

Were the fighters paid for their WSB bouts, though?

Yes. I think even the Cubans. I know they went to Cuba to talk to the government but not sure if they ever came to an agreement.


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[New England]

Let me see, 2OZ is not 50% of 8OZ, it is 25%

if you're a 147 lb pro, you wear an 8 oz glove.

if you're a 147 lb WSB fighter, you wear a 12 oz glove.


12 oz is 50% more glove than an 8 oz glove. 4 oz is the difference, and that's half of 8.

the glories of mathematics.
nice try, doe.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

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Originally Posted by Grimgash

It is...that defines being amateur or pro...the fact that the event itself is paying you. Sponserships, Grants, and what have you don't count. If you're competing in an event and getting paid to do so....it's a professional event. Works in all sports that way...be it contact, combat, intellectual, or e-sports. That's almost the entire distinction between pro and amateur....

No - in this case it is FIGHT-FAX that determined it, a body that essentially has authority only in the US and has broken its own rules by declaring these fights pro bouts for political reasons. According to their own rules the WSB were 'exhibition matches' - according to AIBA and to the understanding of the fighters themselves they were amateur bouts (or at least wouldn't be considered as pro bouts on their records).

If these guys have pro fights, they need pro rankings, but yet haven't received them.

BS. They knew they were getting paid. So you're telling me they were naive enough to think they were having AM bouts?


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[New England]

BTW it's set up deliberately so the fighters' contracts promised salaries, housing and access to training facilities (similar to what would happen under sponsership) rather than being paid by the event as in 'normal' prize-fighting.

exactly. they're effectively given allowances to train and fight for a period of time, not on a fight by fight basis as with a pro fight.

you clearly know more about this WSB crap than anybody else in the thread. it's only on bscene where people will continue to argue with an expert in the face of insurmountable evidence contrary to their claims.

[King_]

The definition of a professional is that, getting paid, even if you can't close your a$$...

The definition of a professional is also wearing gloves that you can close your fists in...... so you can you know, knock your opponents out.


WSB is a semi-pro slapping contest.

[Russian Crushin]

They do list them. There's where I noticed one of them had a loss that had came from fighting in the WSB. It was one of the black dudes and I even made a comment saying "well they can't even sell his 0 now."


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Who's "they", Fox Sports 1?

[Citizen Koba]

Were the fighters paid for their WSB bouts, though?

No, they were paid a salary for participating in the competition, given access to training facilities, accomodation and (presumably) travel costs - I think this was amongst the reasons AIBA were able to tell the fighters they wouldn't be considered pro bouts (alongside them falling into Fight-Fax' category of 'demonstration bouts' as per the official rules of that organisation).