How many pro fights does Lomachenko have?

[Citizen Koba]

Are they Pro fights or Amateur fights? I don't really understand

I don't follow Amateur Boxing in any way, shape or form but they don't really sound like Amateur fights.

Are they point systems?

Google WSB or better World Series of Boxing - they have Y-Tube channel and there's video of all the fights 5 rnd fights fought under MUST scoring, rules similar to the unified rules and with a fixed ring size. The difference is the structuring and team selection which really makes it incompatable with the pro system in as far as counting them as pro fights.

Last years tournament showcased some really good talent (including Loma and Usyk) and this years includes a cuban team for the first time.

Unlike the pro ranks where you can essentially pick and choose your fights, it is structured as a matchup between teams of fighters usually sponsored nationally, or by a private body (D&G sponsored last years Italian team) - there is a pool of fighters who are picked by the various teams - tending towards their national origins but often containing members of other nationalities.

The teams then compete in soccer style 4 team groups - fights are won over 5 rnds - matchups between teams over 5 fights. Winning teams progress to quater, semi then final stages.

It's the kinda thing in a way that I wish would could see in pro boxing - things like the super six that would allow the best to fight the best in a structured competition - and this is what the people who make money in pro-boxing hate about it. By basically saying that every fight fought under the WSB or proposed PRO-AM rules, where the level of competition is amongst the very best amateurs in the world, is considered a pro fight, Amateur or Semi Am boxers are effectively discouraged from participation, knowing any losses on their record could harm their prospects in the pro sport.

FWIW I would seriously encourage any boxing fan to follow the progress of the WSB as it has some great fights and fighters as well as showing some of the positive directions the sport could develop in future.

And, currently, it's still all free to view.

[King_]

I dont care if they got paid millions of dollars, NO boxing match where you cannot fully close your fist in the gloves you are using should be considered a professional fight. Absolutely none.

[Tom Cruise]

Other than the gloves and the fact you are fighting other amateurs i'd say they are basically pro fights.

Psychologically though WSB is not the same as prizefighting. You are still fighting and training as part of a team. Now Loma has gone fully pro it is all about him. In WSB he loses and all his team mates win he's all fine and dandy, Ukraine is still going through to the next round. Now he loses and he's potentially set his career back a few years, loses his magical '0' and with it a lot of the hype surrounding him. How that impacts on his performance will make a big impace on how he does as a pro imo. I think its a major difference

[Tom Cruise]

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Originally Posted by .:: JSFD26 ::.

Let me make it real simple for you.

Basketball/Football players, they aren't PROFESSIONALS till they get to the NBA/NFL and get PAID for it right?

Amateur boxers, they aren't considered PROFESSIONALS till they take off the headgear and get PAID right?

Now lets talk about the WSB. They don't use headgear and get PAID. See the similarities? Or we can play dumb and say they aren't pro bouts.

Let me also ask you this, why is it that Lomachenko was 0-0 on his debut when the other fighters I listed had a previous record from fighting in the WSB?


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Simply getting paid doesnt make boxers pros. Lomachenko got paid $100K for each of his gold medal, was he a pro. Also amateurs from now on will not wear head gears

Who listed those guys record? Look at GBP's shows with american olympians and their records from the WSB dont count

They do list them. There's where I noticed one of them had a loss that had came from fighting in the WSB. It was one of the black dudes and I even made a comment saying "well they can't even sell his 0 now."


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[Citizen Koba]

In terms of professional prizefighting it's about as relevant as a street fight. NO recognised professional governing body is overseeing the fights and no recognised professional body is sanctioning them. This has been a purely political move from the outset - the Professional bodies know that many of their best fighters come from the amateur ranks and feel that AIBA is muscling in on their turf. AIBA might be as corrupt as s#it but at least they put fighters into regular, competitive tournaments.

Pro-boxing has pretty much closed ranks on this threat from the outside, cos it knows that many promising fighters given the choice would also like the chance at World Championship and Olypmpic success which the WSB and PRO-AM would allow.

[Citizen Koba]

It doesn't get more clear than that does it? Just like Barthelemy breaking the rules.


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In short the WSB bouts held without the oversight of a state commission were clearly 'exhibition bouts only' according to their own rules. In fact technically the WSB would have to be considered illegal in the US - if they were considered pro bouts - does that warrant a Q.E.D?

As I said...political maneuvering to undermine AIBA (and I'm not taking sides on this - both Pro and am boxing have a lot to learn from each other - I just don't want to see Careers harmed by this s#it).

[Grimgash]

That's the way I thought it was. If you get paid to fight you are a professional.

It is...that defines being amateur or pro...the fact that the event itself is paying you. Sponserships, Grants, and what have you don't count. If you're competing in an event and getting paid to do so....it's a professional event. Works in all sports that way...be it contact, combat, intellectual, or e-sports. That's almost the entire distinction between pro and amateur....

[Citizen Koba]

It is...that defines being amateur or pro...the fact that the event itself is paying you. Sponserships, Grants, and what have you don't count. If you're competing in an event and getting paid to do so....it's a professional event. Works in all sports that way...be it contact, combat, intellectual, or e-sports. That's almost the entire distinction between pro and amateur....

No - in this case it is FIGHT-FAX that determined it, a body that essentially has authority only in the US and has broken its own rules by declaring these fights pro bouts for political reasons. According to their own rules the WSB were 'exhibition matches' - according to AIBA and to the understanding of the fighters themselves they were amateur bouts (or at least wouldn't be considered as pro bouts on their records).

If these guys have pro fights, they need pro rankings, but yet haven't received them.

[BendOver]

I dont care if they got paid millions of dollars, NO boxing match where you cannot fully close your fist in the gloves you are using should be considered a professional fight. Absolutely none.

The definition of a professional is that, getting paid, even if you can't close your a$$...