Comments Thread For: Pacquiao Admits Mayweather Fight Unlikely Until 2015

[Evol]

im sure if pac leaves top rank there will still be another excuse from mayweather. if he didnt want to work with arum, why did he make a derisory offer to pacquiao? funny how arum didnt matter then ey?!

if pac leaves top rank of course it will be easier to get the fight since bob is not there to counter floyd's offer. this is the main reason why the flomos is running with the whole pac needs to leave arum first (but he didnt need too back in 09). floyd and bob both have very big ego but they only want to throw bob out there like its his fault only.

[The Big Dunn]

please show me where tim, shane and jmm had to break out of their contract just to go sign with top rank in order to get a fight with manny, please show me. And one more thing, was jmm, shane and tim ever in any negotiation with manny and top rank in the first place before they got signed to top rank like how manny and top rank was in negotiation with floyd and golden boy in 2009 then all of a sudden end of 2013 floyd says pac needs to leave arum first. how the phuck is this even the same as what u're trying to justify? LMAO!!!! please show me where jmm, shane, and tim had a negotiation with bob and top rank already before they got signed.

Floyd said manny had to sign with TMT to ge a fight-this is the same thing Bob/Manny said to the fighters I listed. Niether Bob?manny or floyd specified breaking out of a current contract. That said, JMM and SHane were with GBP and Tim was with another promoter.

You are trying to make them monumentally different to somehow make floyd's request worse than TR's.

Its really simple.

1. If you didn't have a problem when TR/manny asked for this you shouldn't have a problem when floyd asks for it.

2. If manny/bob's requests to fighters are not roadblocks than niether are floyd's requests.

3. If other fighters can agree to demands to get a big fight manny can do the same.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

So Team Mayweather and the fantards have a year to conjure up the next roadblock?

[The Big Dunn]

i cant believe flomo dunn is trying to compare the 2 LOL!! jmm, shane and tim was NEVER i repeat never in any type of negotiation like how manny was with floyd in 09. both teams sat down and negotiate and it didnt work out, years later floyd comes out with manny needs to leave top rank first. how is this the same as shane, jmm and tim??? did all 3 of them had a negotiation with bob and it didnt work out? then bob offer them to come sign with bob and bob will give them a fight with manny?? did this happen???

SO you are saying:

1. its ok for Bob/Manny to ask for these things because they didn't have previous negotiations for a manny fight? And

2. because there was a previous negotiation in 09 floyd can't ask for the leave the promoter stip in 2012?

If this is what you are saying they are two of the more ridiculous things I've read on NSB in general and from you in particular.

Didn't SHane and JMM have previous negoltiations?

[Evol]

Floyd said manny had to sign with TMT to ge a fight-this is the same thing Bob/Manny said to the fighters I listed. Niether Bob?manny or floyd specified breaking out of a current contract. That said, JMM and SHane were with GBP and Tim was with another promoter.

You are trying to make them monumentally different to somehow make floyd's request worse than TR's.

Its really simple.

1. If you didn't have a problem when TR/manny asked for this you shouldn't have a problem when floyd asks for it.

2. If manny/bob's requests to fighters are not roadblocks than niether are floyd's requests.

3. If other fighters can agree to demands to get a big fight manny can do the same.

idiot dunn please read carefully. im asking u did tim, jmm and shane had a negotiation with top rank in hopes for a fight with manny at the beginning when they were not with top rank yet? did this happen? yes or no?? so how are u trying to compare that with what floyd is asking pac to do? floyd and pac were actually negotiating, ost was the issue, fight didnt happen. years later floyd now comes out with pac needs to leave arum first. so again how is this the same as what u're trying to compare with what jmm, tim and shane had to do??

[Pugilist95]

I won't really care if it happens next year, Pacquiao will probably be way over the hill by then, It should have happened in 09. However I actually think that Floyd is a better fighter now than he was in 09 - in fact I would go as far as to say this current version of Floyd would beat a prime Pacquiao.

[Evol]

SO you are saying:

1. its ok for Bob/Manny to ask for these things because they didn't have previous negotiations for a manny fight? And

2. because there was a previous negotiation in 09 floyd can't ask for the leave the promoter stip in 2012?

Didn't SHane and JMM have previous negoltiations?

no, im saying what u're trying to compare here is a completely different situation. jmm and shane and tim didnt have a negotiation with bob and manny first and it didnt work out for what ever reasons then years later bob comes out with an offer telling them to leave their promoter and they'll get a fight with manny. im asking did this happen? how are u even trying to justify this as the same?? i can see ur point if jmm, shane and tim were actaully in negotiation with bob and it didnt work out then bob offer them to leave their promoter. if this happen then i can see where u're coming from. with floyd it was ost only then now u have to leave top rank. did this ever happen to shane, jmm and tim??

[The Big Dunn]

idiot dunn please read carefully. im asking u did tim, jmm and shane had a negotiation with top rank in hopes for a fight with manny at the beginning when they were not with top rank yet? did this happen? yes or no?? so how are u trying to compare that with what floyd is asking pac to do? floyd and pac were actually negotiating, ost was the issue, fight didnt happen. years later floyd now comes out with pac needs to leave arum first. so again how is this the same as what u're trying to compare with what jmm, tim and shane had to do??

Yes tjmm and shane both did-thats how the "must leave TR to get a fight" became a condition.

I am comparing the requests from the a sides in each instance. I am then looking at the b sides actions/responses. I then apply both to the floyd/mnny fight.

I did not say the situations were the same, I said the requests are. You are trying to argue since the situations are not excatly the same the requests are different. we disagree.

Since the first negotitations fell through Manny/Bob have on 3 occasions made non TR fighters sign to TR as a condition of getting a fight with Manny.

Floyd, seeing that fighters were willing to do this and knowing this is a smart way to protect your investment is asking Manny to do this.

If you didn't care then its not a big deal now.

[Evol]

dunn since u said shane, tim, and jmm were actually in negotiation with manny and top rank please tell me what happen in the first negotiation as to why the fight didnt happen?? manny was in negotiation with floyd, cut off date of ost was not agree upon so fight didnt happen. years later ost is not an issue anymore but bob is now? so tell how is this the same as to what u're saying for jmm, shane and tim?

[The Big Dunn]

no, im saying what u're trying to compare here is a completely different situation. jmm and shane and tim didnt have a negotiation with bob and manny first and it didnt work out for what ever reasons then years later bob comes out with an offer telling them to leave their promoter and they'll get a fight with manny. im asking did this happen? how are u even trying to justify this as the same?? i can see ur point if jmm, shane and tim were actaully in negotiation with bob and it didnt work out then bob offer them to leave their promoter. if this happen then i can see where u're coming from. with floyd it was ost only then now u have to leave top rank. did this ever happen to shane, jmm and tim??

so as I posted because the situations are not exactly the same you are attempting to differentiate between manny/bob's asking them to sign with TR to get a Manny fight and floyd asking Manny to sign with TMT to get a floyd fight.

Since Ive answered your questions please answer this-if manny and floyd both knock the same fighter out in the 3rd round-is one a 3rd round KO and the other not a 3rd round ko because one fight is a 10 round fight and the other a 12 round fight?